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Ask HN: If another AI winter is upon us, where are the research chokepoints?

4 pointsby bad_ramen_soupalmost 7 years ago

3 comments

nabla9almost 7 years ago
The AI winter happens when outside hype and investment money overshoots what can be delivered in the timescale needed for good ROI. Disappointments are followed with periods of underinvestment.<p>Neural Networks are already decades old invention. Underlying all this new boom is the same basic architecture, alternating layers of affine transformations and nonlinear transformations trained with backpropagation and gradient descent.<p>What made the field suddenly explode was GPGPU&#x27;s and bunch of tweaks that helped to solve vanishing&#x2F;exploding gradients problems (started with RNN training layers and now with skip connections and handful of other techniques that make deep networks possible) combined with better regularization etc. I&#x27;m not trying to downplay the innovation, but from the larger point of view they are technical tweaks.<p>There is limit to where tweaking&#x2F;scaling the current techniques can go. There needs to be leaps. Geoff Hinton made the case better in his &quot;What is wrong with convolutional neural nets?&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Jv1VDdI4vy4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Jv1VDdI4vy4</a> see also <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;1711.11561" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;1711.11561</a> from Jason Jo, Yoshua Bengio. The same &quot;what&#x27;s wrong with&quot; applies to the field in general.<p>Hinton&#x27;s capsule networks are attempt to take another leap forward. Just like with his earlier work from 80&#x27;s that culminated around 2006, it may take years and years of slow work to get there. Hinton suggests that there needs to be unsupervised learning revolution that comes up with something else than backprobagation. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.axios.com&#x2F;artificial-intelligence-pioneer-says-we-need-to-start-over-1513305524-f619efbd-9db0-4947-a9b2-7a4c310a28fe.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.axios.com&#x2F;artificial-intelligence-pioneer-says-w...</a>
p1eskalmost 7 years ago
&quot;AI winter&quot; can only happen if something better than &quot;AI&quot; appears. It has nothing to do with hype or investment.<p>If someone comes up with ways to do speech recognition, image classification, and NLP using traditional (rule based) programming, better than the current state of the art deep learning algorithms, then the DL algorithms are in trouble.<p>However, this would mean &quot;DL winter&quot; not &quot;AI winter&quot;. People are not going to stop using speech recognition and NLP on their phones, or object detection in their cars, just because someone overhyped something or overinvested in some companies. And as long as people use them, the development of better ways to do it will continue.
mindcrimealmost 7 years ago
Why would you think there is an AI Winter upon us?? From my subjective viewpoint, I don&#x27;t feel like I&#x27;ve seen any evidence of that. If anything, AI (in a general sense) seems to be hotter than ever.<p>What evidence is there for an notion of a developing (or existent) AI Winter at the current moment?
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