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"I'm getting really freaking tired of experiencing this level of incompetence"

20 pointsby rockstar9about 17 years ago

8 comments

mlinseyabout 17 years ago
The biggest problem with hiring foreign contractors is not that they're foreign, but that the mindset required to hire them cannot attract good hackers. More specifically, the kind of people who decide to save money on development by hiring offshore contractors are usually the kind of people who think programmers are interchangeable parts and can't tell the difference between a good and bad developer.<p>But even if you are a hacker yourself and a good judge of programming talent, it's very hard for you to find good people when you are in a different continent. Think about how difficult it is to attract good talent right here in America. Even if you're in an area with a comparatively high concentration of talented programmers (let's say Silicon Valley), you will probably not find the best people by waiting for them to come to you. You have to get into the right circles, or get referrals from people you trust, or go to meetups like Startup School that attract the kind of people you want, etc. etc. Now what if you were thousands of miles away? Would you be able to do any of that? Maybe via websites like this or by collaborating on open source projects, but I doubt that those are the avenues by which companies are hiring foreign contractors.<p>I know of a few companies with solid offshore development operations that are staffed with very good people. In every single case, there was someone from the company on the ground in that country, finding and hiring people in the same way that the company would do in the states.
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jrockwayabout 17 years ago
I think there are plenty of programmers in America that are this incompetent.<p>Also, he writes "<i>all things being equal, a guy with a CS degree, C++ experience, and a year with Ruby on Rails who's asking $20 an hour is going to be more appealing than a guy with the same background asking $60 an hour.</i>"<p>$20/hour for someone who claims to know Rails and C++? This has to be too good to be true, because anyone with a clue would want about 10x that.<p>All in all, I see where the author is coming from... but I don't think his unqualified assertions are correct.
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mttsabout 17 years ago
What's missing from this rant is evidence. The author comes accross one incompetent programmer from Argentina and then goes off to state that Asians and Argentin[i?]ans have the wrong mindset to be a developer?<p>It may be true that $20 an hour programmers from Argentina can afford to be sloppy since they are, after all, dirt cheap, but I would've liked to see some more examples.
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blueluabout 17 years ago
You get what you pay for. If he would probably be paying market rate and not 1/3 of the market rate, he would probably have better applications. Good people simply won't apply at a lousy 20$ a hour.
edw519about 17 years ago
Brings to mind another advantage of the startup world over the corporate world: your work speaks so loudly that no one cares what your resume says.
brentabout 17 years ago
Speaking of incompetent programmers... I'm clicking on the comments link on his page and nothing is happening (unless I hit refresh of course :)).
anupamkapoorabout 17 years ago
this can be safely described as an instance of "pay less, pray more" syndrome, which seems to afflict a lot of folks from time to time.
wallflowerabout 17 years ago
You can't outsource passion..