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Everyone Has an Accent

81 pointsby kilovoltairealmost 7 years ago

13 comments

tlbalmost 7 years ago
The article focuses on how standard an accent is, but to me the main factor is whether it&#x27;s familiar enough to the listener for nuanced conversation to be understood. All English speakers are familiar with the Western US accent and British RP. But faced with an accent they haven&#x27;t heard before, they miss nuances.<p>By &#x27;nuances&#x27;, I&#x27;m not talking about literary subtleties. For instance, when you ask if someone can do something and they say &quot;Okaaaaaay...&quot;, there&#x27;s a lot of content in the inflection of the aaaaaay that tells you how likely it is to happen. That content is different for different accents.<p>Since it&#x27;s a hopeless cause that everyone will learn to speak with the same accent, people working in global businesses should learn to understand the major world accents. It seems like an order of magnitude less work to understand an accent than to speak it.<p>In the tech world, it&#x27;s pretty useful to be able to understand Hindi, Mandarin, French, German, Spanish, Russian, Australian, Singapore, Israeli, and Filipino accents.
dbelchamberalmost 7 years ago
This is definitely useful to keep in mind, but I think one point that might not be represented adequately is the utility of a standard. I understand that there are difficulties for people speaking in a nonnative accent, but there is also actual value in being close to standard and having less accents considered standard. When many people are specializing in many things, having a standard way of speaking allows us to more quickly understand one another and skip the basics. The judgement that I personally make when I hear a non-standard accent is not that they are lower in status; it&#x27;s simply that it will take more work on my end to understand them, and thus I&#x27;m less inclined to deal with them in particular because of the language barrier and my being lazy.
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Panjamalmost 7 years ago
As a child I had a strong South African accent, although I could not hear it. I remember visiting some relatives in the north of England and being very surprised by their accents - and saying to my mother, &quot;thank goodness we don&#x27;t have accents!&quot;. I now have an American accent and equally don&#x27;t hear my accent when I talk, and laughed at a recording I recently heard of my childhood accent.
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brlewisalmost 7 years ago
<i>My family back in Madrid would have a hard time understanding the Spanish of my English-speaking students in my first-semester classroom.</i><p>There&#x27;s good reason for this. In English, if you pronounce a vowel wrong or leave it out, you have an accent. If you pronounce a consonant wrong or leave it out, you&#x27;re unintelligible. Spanish is closer to the reverse, where the vowels are essential and the consonants are supplemental. If you&#x27;re native to one language you&#x27;ll need a lot of pronunciation drills to get good at the other.
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zwiebackalmost 7 years ago
It&#x27;s not just foreign accents that might lead to discrimination. After 25 years in the US I still have a German accent but I&#x27;m pretty sure that&#x27;s less of a liability than a southern or african american accent (or vernacular, probably), at least on the coasts where I&#x27;d be likely to job-hunt.
kilovoltairealmost 7 years ago
&gt; Worldwide, nonnative speakers of English outnumber natives by a ratio of three to one.<p>I was vaguely aware of this, but hadn&#x27;t really thought about the numbers.
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staunchalmost 7 years ago
I consider it a point of pride that I can understand virtually anyone speaking English no matter how strong their accent is. I assume it&#x27;s from being around a lot of people that learned English as a second language.<p>It would make sense that one of the factors that has made English successful is that it&#x27;s very forgiving of varying pronunciations. Some other languages are much more precise.<p>But it does often require a lot more effort to understand someone speaking with a heavy accent. A really great podcast, History on Fire, is hard for me to listen to because the author has a strong Italian accent. I can understand it perfectly well but it&#x27;s mentally exhausting so I don&#x27;t listen regularly. I consider it a shame because I like the content.
tweedledeealmost 7 years ago
Accents are also a class signal. Given that it’s easier to adjust your accent than to change people’s opinion on them, it’s probably worth maki g the effort to soften up the accent.
Jonovonoalmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve been trying to make my own accent. I sometimes hear people pronounce things differently and prefer that way so I start trying to say it that way. I guess less of an accent more just preferred pronunciations.
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incadenzaalmost 7 years ago
As much as I agree, let’s obviously not judge people based on accents, I find this a bit ridiculous. I can’t help but raise an eyebrow at the idea of visiting let’s say France, completely butchering pronunciations, and then claiming that anybody who corrects me just has a different accent. There’s obviously more or less correct ways to speak a language...
dccoolgaialmost 7 years ago
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sevensoralmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve lived in enough different parts of the U.S. that I&#x27;ve lost track of what sounds the vowels are supposed to make. I sound odd wherever I am.
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ACow_Adonisalmost 7 years ago
&gt;that nobody hearing their American accents presumes that they are less capable, less ambitious or less honest than if their R’s had a nicer trill<p>I don&#x27;t know if i&#x27;d say...less capable personally, but I&#x27;m a Urban-Modern-Australian english speaker, as distinct from what I&#x27;ll call the lower-class suburban australian, rural-strine, or &quot;snooty adeladian-recieved&quot;. I&#x27;ve included 4 accents there where most older australian academic literature seems to recognise 3, and I&#x27;m not including the various ethno-tinges based on how you might pronounce the phrase &quot;fully-sick sub-woofer&quot; for example.<p>I&#x27;ve been personally told my accent sounds &quot;upper-class and educated&quot; from an american perspective, which I find hilarious considering I think i sound like an absolute bogan whenever in the presence of americans&#x2F;english. However, I&#x27;ve also been told by non-english speaking persons that they really like the way myself and my wife speak: something to do with clear annunciation or something.<p>Anyway, back to the main point: I question whether this is true, because you can bet I pick up on and have various aesthetic opinions on the various english accents. I find it very hard to believe that there are not connotations attached to how various english speakers speak and pronounce other languages. This would make english some kind of &quot;magical&quot; language that overcomes social-regional-contextual interpretation, and I simply do not believe that can be the case. And i know enough american friend&#x27;s experiences overseas. I know there were parts&#x2F;towns of the middle east while travelling I was advised not to stay in for very long with my accent, and I am well aware of the general advice for certain american accents to take advantage of the ambiguity and identify as canadian while travelling.<p>For the record, the non-exhaustive list of accents I identify and their subjective opinion are something along the lines of (keeping in mind, I&#x27;m not saying these are my explicit-acted on opinions, they&#x27;re the subjective-connotations I recognise them as carrying in my own subculture):<p>&gt; Californian: loud, extroverted, a little bit of extroverted stupidity, annoying.<p>&gt; New-york: loud, extroverted, annoying in a different way.<p>&gt; Boston-twang: personally, a bit humorous, not exactly intellectual (park the car in the harvard yard)<p>&gt; Various-southern US: slow, naive but friendly<p>&gt; English-RP: snooty, but never hear anyone who actually talks like this, except on some BBC programs, where sometimes it comes across as a bit comical like someone&#x27;s taking the piss.<p>&gt; English-other: pretty friendly&#x2F;approachable in general, obviously can&#x27;t list all the many english-native accents<p>&gt; Scottish: cool, though stronger ones border on unintelligible until you get used to it<p>&gt; Irish: extremely cool + attractive<p>&gt; New Zealand: its practically urban-australian except for a handful of fish and chips-esque give-aways, basically one of us<p>&gt; Wog-english (using the term in a friendly way, not as a put-down): generally to cover the greek, lebanese, italian accents. Does have lower-middle class connotations for better or worse.
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