Most of the times I read something with "Show HN", I see lots of hate and negative energy in the comments. These people are hungry for appreciation as they spent months building their product/tool/startup. Why don't we give them a helpful criticism while support them?
There are plenty of online communities one can approach for general encouragement and moral support.<p>People choose to Show HN specifically because they know appreciation isn't automatic here. They don't just want a pat on the head, they want to know if they're doing it right.<p>Often, learning that your idea simply isn't valuable to others (or even worth their time) is very helpful and motivating towards future development.<p>I do think there's room to ask that people's so-called negative comments at least be detailed, but this goes for positive/supportive comments too, in my opinion. I don't want to just be told to keep trying, I want help thinking about what exactly to try next.
Firstly, I have a gripe against the word "hate". No one is hating anything, it is critiquing. The question becomes is how do you take it?<p>And frankly for me the new trends seems to be asking the question - "Why does HN hate X?" with X being blockchain, Tesla, etc take your pick. This kind of negative questioning leads to two conclusions:<p><i>If</i> HN does actually hate X, then it turns into a public shaming. And no one on the internet admits they are doing anything wrong. So, good luck trying to talk sense.<p><i>If</i> HN doesn't hate a topic, then you are implying that even simple comments are hateful. And slowly things will turn <i>against</i> your topic of choice.
My perception is the opposite. Someone would honestly have to do an analysis of Show HNs to figure out whose perception is correct. My suspicion is that it doesn't skew strongly one way or the other.
It would help to give some specific examples of threads or comments you think are hateful.<p>The more active HN users, with the support of the moderators, are quite vigilant about downvoting or flagging nasty comments.<p>Can you give any examples of nasty or mean comments that appear high up in the comment thread and/or without being faded or flagged?<p>The whole idea of Show HN is to encourage people to build interesting things and get feedback to help them improve their project and/or skills. So, constructive criticism should be welcomed whereas meanness should be weeded out any time it appears.<p>If you're seeing mean comments in Show HN posts, you should flag and downvote those comments and consider reporting them to the moderators at hn@ycombinator.com.
I think it's due to the fact that many HN people prefer to give honest analysis/opinion, even if the truth hurts. In the long run, it's probably more useful that way to whomever posted, to get "real-life" feedback at least from a technical perspective.<p>The question did make me think, whether there's a small part that supports the stereotype(?) of "smart" people, or those working in IT/tech, having less empathy and emotional consideration. Kindness can be seen as unnecessary or even harmful sugar-coating..
I don’t read Show HN much, but I wonder how much of that hate and negativity is just plain objective criticism that it merely perceived negatively by some. On the internet, if you don’t use smileys or polite language, you sometimes seem negative even if you just make normal observations or ask logical questions. That’s just how anonymous online communication is, unfortunately.
My theory is that communities like HN and StackOverflow are a magnet for very smart people with a very direct style of communication. Yes, they sound sassy or snarky but most have no intention to be mean. They just lack most of the brain circuitry to refrain from comment or beat around the bush.
Hitting the "show" link in the top nav and reading by date, the thing that struck me the most was not the "negative energy" but the lack of comments. A lot of people showing but apparently not so many paying attention. Some seem pretty nifty...
Some cultures (and subcultures) value honest, sharp critique and in others it is perceived as direct, personal attack. See the culture - cognition connection [1]<p>[1] <a href="http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb06/connection.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb06/connection.aspx</a><p>[2] <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/17/learning-to-embrace-conflict-as-a-part-of-startup-culture/" rel="nofollow">https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/17/learning-to-embrace-confli...</a>
I'm not going to lie if something is badly presented or mediocre. I don't think that helps the team that made it or the quality of HN.<p>I don't want people to be sad or hurt either.<p>Sometimes it looks like something is opportunistic or scammy. In that case you flag it. If something seems clueless and doesn't seem to have a lot of work or thought behind it I hope people want to help when they level harsh criticism. In these cases people need direction and it's a case where guidance or mentorship might help. It's so important to do this with care.
It's not hate, it's armchair criticism most of the time. People assume their engineering skills transfer over any walk of life, so they feel entitled to voice an opinion just by taking a glance at an idea/code/site/etc. You know, devs have strong opinions about lots of stuff.<p>It takes a somewhat special individual to be able to give helpful criticism, even if he/she thinks it's nonsense.
I think a lot of the negative energy comes from that startup-frustration that many in Silicon Valley feel. Every idea sucks unless they came up with it, because nobody wants to be left out of the next Facebook, Uber, etc. That attitude permeates everything.
I can't see this. From my experience there's a lot of respect for people getting stuff to the point that they are willing to Show HN. Sometimes there's some honest critique that's really helpful if you are willing to listen.
The implication that people who complain about "negative energy" are making is that negative energy has no value or negative value; it doesn't. I'd be willing to say that skepticism has far more value than pats on the back. Children need pats on the back, not adults.
I've seen several (recently too) new idea's or projects floated here that got heaps of very positive feedback.<p>I think your premise is flawed.
The negativity became dominant post-PG. Unfortunately and disappointingly.<p>[added] To elaborate: his regular essays were thought-provoking and challenging, in a way that generally drove HN commenters to think and contribute. Nowadays there is a discouraging excess of emoting and belittling, even though the moderators have stepped up their nudges and interventions.
Life lesson: People have hated on new ideas in every community since the dawn of time. Hacker news is not special in that regard. Just learn to deal with it by finding conviction in your ideas.
Byzantine fault tolerance and zero knowledge proofs, so cool! Oh it's being done by people using it for distributed ledgers? Boooo now we hate it<p>I've realized I have to broaden my news intake as even this community has it's collective blind spots