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Why I Don't Buy Organic, and Why You Might Not Want to Either

34 pointsby kevbamalmost 7 years ago

12 comments

conradkalmost 7 years ago
From the author&#x27;s bio: &quot;Since April of 2016 I work part time for the non-profit, CropLife Foundation communicating the benefits of crop protection agents&quot;<p>To read it yourself, go to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;stevensavage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;stevensavage</a>, then click on &quot;Full bio&quot;
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yeletialmost 7 years ago
The author says .... &quot;and the actual pesticides used today are mostly relatively non-toxic to humans.&quot;<p>Nothing can be further from the truth. Most (in fact all) pesticides used are designed to kill biological cells. So pesticides do not distinguish between a caterpillars cell or a humans. All pesticides are harmful to humans, some in tiny doses, some in large doses.<p>FYI - Landmark lawsuit claims Monsanto hid dangers of cancer caused by its weedkillers. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2018&#x2F;may&#x2F;22&#x2F;monsanto-trial-cancer-weedkiller-roundup-dewayne-johnson" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2018&#x2F;may&#x2F;22&#x2F;monsanto-tr...</a>
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cryptozeusalmost 7 years ago
This is the key point Don’t get distracted if author is biased or not...he is making sone goood points.<p>I was not aware of this..”The USDA, which oversees the foods labeled as “Certified Organic”, states quite clearly on its website about its role in organic, that “Our regulations do not address food safety or nutrition.” Foods labelled “Certified Organic” must adhere to certain rules and regulations but aren’t endowed with any particular nutritional or safety features. However, many consumers believe that the Organic label means the food has superior nutrition and is safer, especially in regard to pesticide residues. This is not true. ”
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couchandalmost 7 years ago
The author does a fantastic job arguing against a straw man and distracting the reader.<p>Hey, sometimes conventional farms actually use reasonable techniques! That means they&#x27;re just as good, right?<p>Hey, look at my cute granddaughter. Those conventional raspberries must be great, right?<p>We can use a little less land to grow most crops if we do it conventionally, that makes it okay, right?<p>Some big bad marketers work for companies selling organic products, which makes organic bad, right?
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mapleoinalmost 7 years ago
&gt; the actual pesticides used today are mostly relatively non-toxic to humans<p>Love this! &quot;mostly relatively&quot; won&#x27;t kill you... maybe...
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gicadinalmost 7 years ago
Although I agree that buying everything organic is irrational there are certain products where the organic version is quite different. A good example are tomatoes where market bought often taste like plastic. This is my personal taste and opinion but i&#x27;ve validated it in my circle of friends.
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ohthehugemanatealmost 7 years ago
Wish the article also mentioned: - food supply: Generically Engineered crops are the only way we&#x27;re going to feed the estimated 11 billion people at our estimated peak population. Heck, it&#x27;s providing a significant part of the boost that allows us to have 8 billion. If the planet went &quot;all organic&quot; today, billions of people would starve to death. Another billion or so would be sentenced to deadly food supply uncertainty.<p>- nutritional value: GE crops are the best way we have to compensate for diet diversity issues in many poor areas of the world. Golden rice is a famous example, but not the only one. There are similar stories for cassava, bananas, and many other staple foods. Banning nutrient enriched crops sentences millions of children to malnutrition and its effects.<p>- land and resource use: &quot;organic&quot; farming requires much more land, water, and energy to produce per calorie. Can you say &quot;deforestation&quot;? How about &quot;pollution&quot;?<p>- food safety: GE foods undergo (required) enormous safety testing before they reach market. Testing that would fail and block many &quot;frankenfoods&quot; created by &quot;organic&quot; cross breeding, such as kiwi. What&#x27;s more, &quot;organic&quot; blocks the possibility of creating hypoallergenic peanuts, wheat, shellfish, etc etc .<p>- organic foods require more, and more damaging, and more lasting, pesticides than their GE sisters.<p>- I don&#x27;t like radiation in my food. The &quot;organic&quot; method of cross breeding involves radiospermatogenesis. That&#x27;s where you bombard seeds with x-rays to promote mutation. That&#x27;s genetic engineering, but randomized. - &quot;organic&quot; cross breeding selects crops based on phenotype (how they look). This causes problems, like the famous extra large bananas in the 30s, which were extremely popular until it was discovered that they also produced an extra large dose of cyanide. They poisoned people who ate too many.<p>There are lots of reasons to reject the naturist fallacy vision of &quot;organic&quot; food as better. These are some of my favorites. I don&#x27;t want my money to support mass starvation, illness, and food insecurity.
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skookumalmost 7 years ago
Pesticide industry shill has &quot;an ethical problem&quot; with eating organic due to the tactics used by <i>that</i> industry. Is this satire?
athenotalmost 7 years ago
One thing I make sure to <i>not</i> buy organic is couscous. Every time I&#x27;ve gotten organic versions, there have been worms roaming around in it.<p>I&#x27;m not sure I agree with the article&#x27;s conclusions as I generally favor organic in the US, but having reasonable debate is healthy. In Europe I don&#x27;t bother about organic since the regulations are much stricter regarding crop treatment.<p>In my own vegetable garden I currently have tomatoes and many types of fruit berries, but I&#x27;m not doing the organic thing. The thing is, between organic and total overdose on pesticides, there&#x27;s a wide gamut. I spead weedkiller under my blueberries so technically they aren&#x27;t organic. Tomatoes will uptake many types of herbicides so I don&#x27;t use any lingering ones on that part of the garden, however my fertilizer is not always organic.
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dalorealmost 7 years ago
Instead of the focus on organic and the label, I&#x27;d prefer a focus on sustainable&#x2F;regenerative agriculture <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sustainable_agriculture" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sustainable_agriculture</a><p>The current mass farming practices (both for meat and non-meant) don&#x27;t work for the long term as they deplete and cause other resource issues.<p>Having them work together to continue to enrich the soil is the only way we can continue farming. That&#x27;s why going vegan isn&#x27;t sustainable also. People argue meat takes more resources, but you actually need both in the farm.
AdmiralAsshatalmost 7 years ago
&gt;The reality is that modern agriculture employs an integrated suite of non-pesticidal control measures, and the actual pesticides used today are <i>mostly relatively non-toxic</i> to humans.<p>Well that watered-down endorsement sure inspires confidence!
chicobalmost 7 years ago
Farmer here, currently engaged in Integrated Production.<p>In my opinion, there are many misconceptions about the practices, advantages and disadvantages of both conventional and organic farming.<p>First of all there are currently three modes of production that are worth of mention: 1) &quot;conventional&quot; farming, 2) integrated production, 3) organic farming.<p>Conventional farming can mean many things, depending on the country we are farming, but mainly we should interpret it as non-illegal farming in general: anything that is within regular agronomic practice for a given location and crop.<p>Organic Farming (OF) is the practice that, fundamentally, prohibits the usage of synthetic agrochemicals. Moreover, GMOs are also prohibited and some natural occurring fertilizers. The aim is to minimize ecological impact and respect biodiversity, and the means of achieving that goal is to radically change agricultural practices.<p>Integrated Production (IP) is somewhat half way between the two. The idea is to leave the usage of agrochemicals for the last case scenario (and when above the the economic threshold), when all other alternatives are not available. Pests and diseases have to be monitored and auxiliary species levels measured and maintained. The list of acceptable substances and respective dosages is regulated and depends on the crop. Soil analysis is also mandatory. There are soil maintenance practices that have to be respected. A practice register has to be filled with each year crops, and given to certification authorities along with pesticide and fertilizer stocks registries. The bonus is that whatever one is allowed to do in OG one can also do in IP, generally speaking.<p>Currently, in the EU, the standards of conventional farming are being raised towards IP, so that in a few years there is only either IP or OF. In other terms, conventional farming of the future EU will be what we call today IP.<p>The single most important aspect of either practices is that none can go without regulation and official certification. I don&#x27;t really trust the way regulation is enforced these days, because it&#x27;s being delegated to private companies that provide the certification for their customers.<p>My only issue with organic farming is the misconception that there is something wrong with synthetic fertilizers and pesticides that doesn&#x27;t come with so-called organic or natural pesticides and fertilizers, and that the produce of OG is healthier in general. This is not true, although many companies benefit from this reiterated confusion. Greenwashing works better if there is a OG logo somewhere.<p>My second issue with organic farming is that by avoiding some means of protection, produce quality can decrease significantly, and whole crops can and will sometimes be lost without need, which comes with costs to producers but also economical consequences to food security and price volatility.<p>In my opinion, organic farming is only feasible in the long term with very specific crops and for medium-small scale areas.<p>Other than these aspects (certification, purported health benefits and insecurity) my advice to anyone is by all means eat organic whenever you want. But remember there is always Integrated Production.