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A Mathematical Theory for Why People Hallucinate

133 pointsby dumanalmost 7 years ago

10 comments

MisterTeaalmost 7 years ago
I've held this theory on my own after experiencing geometric shapes while hallucinating after smoking a lot of marijuana years back. I sat down closed my eyes and experienced an intense feeling of flying through what I can only explain as the starfield screen saver from Windows but with colored 2D shapes heavily dominated by hexagons of various sizes. During that experience I realized that I might be experiencing the inner workings of my brain in real time. I didn't give it much more thought but that ideas stuck in my mind for years. Recently I began fitness training with a trainer who believes in the stoned ape theory which reminded me of my own experience and I again read into it a bit. I'm not sold on the idea but the overall theory is solid in my book. Still to this day if I get really high I experience geometric hallucinations.
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sonnyblarneyalmost 7 years ago
Is this &#x27;hallucination&#x27; though? Or just some weird stuff happening in visual processing?<p>I underwent some very serious periods of sleep deprivation (Army) and our &#x27;hallucinations&#x27; were of a totally different kind: having conversations with people that were not there, seeing things that were not there, misidentifying people whom you know really well who are right on front of your face, taking on different personalities etc..
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visargaalmost 7 years ago
If you look at how neural nets work, they too tend to hallucinate. It doesn&#x27;t seem so mysterious to me. We have GANs, autoencoders and network visualisation tools (finding the input that maximises a certain neuron or set of neurons) - and they show that noise injection into the net can cause hallucinations.
everdevalmost 7 years ago
&gt; The sparseness of connections between inhibitory neurons prevents inhibitory signals from traveling long distances, disrupting the stochastic Turing mechanism and the perception of funnels, cobwebs, spirals and so forth. The dominant patterns that spread through the network will be based on external stimuli — a very good thing for survival, since you want to be able to spot a snake and not be distracted by a pretty spiral shape.<p>I see spirals every time I meditate. I find it interesting the suggestion that meditation allows more random noise into my neurons.<p>It feels very similar to the dream state where the content usually has clear connections to my real life but is randomized just enough to produce some odd effects.<p>In the end, understanding dreams or hallucinations feels like interpreting art to me.
Terr_almost 7 years ago
This reminds me of a short-story called &quot;Blit&quot;, involving hacks against the human visual system.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.infinityplus.co.uk&#x2F;stories&#x2F;blit.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.infinityplus.co.uk&#x2F;stories&#x2F;blit.htm</a>
GuB-42almost 7 years ago
I wonder if the same effect can be reproduced with image recognition software.<p>The &quot;Google deep dream&quot; look very... acidic to me, but there were deliberately induced by reinforcing a particular signal. But I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised to get similar effects by adding noise to the proper type of neural network.
liberte82almost 7 years ago
How do we know that reality itself isn&#x27;t a mass hallucination?
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genericacctalmost 7 years ago
Very interesting article. Some of the patterns it talks about are also usually visible in the output of many deepdream &#x2F; style transfer software that are based on existing neural nets, which leads me to believe that they are indeed mimicking existing brain processes.<p>(TBH this should probably be titled HOW people hallucinate)
mirimiralmost 7 years ago
It&#x27;s an interesting article. But I hate the header image. It&#x27;s cool and all, but has nothing to do with psychedelic hallucinations. And while Klüver&#x27;s &quot;form constants&quot; are OK, what&#x27;s interesting about hallucinations isn&#x27;t just the basic geometry.<p>Consider LSD hallucinations, for example. I recall especially complex entangled &quot;ropes&quot;. Brightly colored, and in constant motion. Both spinning on axis, and writhing. But the motions weren&#x27;t just three dimensional. There was a sense of stuff rotating and moving through other dimensions.<p>Also, the &quot;ropes&quot; had lots of detail. Almost like strings of characters. A little like that G&#x2F;E&#x2F;B block on the cover of Hofstadter&#x27;s <i>GEB</i>. I also recall this guy who argued that all Hebrew letters were two dimensional projections of some multidimensional object. He released a video, which reminded me of LSD hallucinations. Very Kabalistic. And perhaps one inspiration for Aronofsky&#x27;s &quot;Pi&quot;.
mailslotalmost 7 years ago
If you stay partially aware as you fall asleep, you’ll see a ton of geometric hallucinations. It’s just the way things work.
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