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How Musicians Make Money, Or Don’t, In 2018

123 pointsby bspnalmost 7 years ago

14 comments

pmoriartyalmost 7 years ago
Forget money. As a musician I struggle to even get people to listen to my music for free.<p>There&#x27;s an absolute glut of content out there, due to two things:<p>1 - The increasing ease of making music. It used to be that you had to invest time in acquiring some skill, some relatively expensive instruments, and some in-person relationships with other musicians to make music that was palatable to a significant number of listeners. Today all you need is some free software on a phone or computer you probably already have, and it all but makes the music for you.<p>2 - The ease of distributing music. You used to have to get contracts with record labels, make other connections with the music industry, or spend a lot of money to get much of an audience. Now we&#x27;ve mostly cut out the middle men, and distribution is virtually free.<p>As a result there&#x27;s vastly more content and much more competition between artists for an audience. No longer are consumers limited to a dozen radio stations or having to read music reviews, physically go down to the record store, listen to and buy records. The consumer has virtually the world&#x27;s entire musical output at their fingertips and far more free content than they even have time to listen to.
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gomoxalmost 7 years ago
I have a few friends that are aspiring musicians with what I consider to be a high quality product, and they both struggle to make a living out of it, bankrolling their music endeavors with side gigs or similar avenues.<p>In the age of the Internet, it seems clear to me that from a macro economic perspective, the only scarce things a musician can provide are (a) experiences and (b) physical goods. It seems like no small&#x2F;medium artist can expect to make a living out of YouTube views or Spotify plays.<p>Is anyone here that is more knowledgeable about the industry able to comment on what tech-enabled avenues exist (or may come into existence in the short term future) for younger musicians to make a living? Crazy ideas are OK (for example, I think VR live concerts might be a thing at some point, but I don&#x27;t have enough understanding of the industry to tell whether something like Ujomusic makes sense).
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matchagauchoalmost 7 years ago
Music throughout the centuries has always been subsidized by benefactors.<p>It wasn&#x27;t until 19th century that the breadth of career options opened up for Musicians.<p>The struggle for &quot;Pop&quot; artists is that the definition of Pop changes every 5 years... and even then, Artists underestimate just how much promotion goes into driving streaming traffic.<p>But career options for scoring video games, multimedia, EDM, DJ, live bands, and teaching have never been better.
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scarecrowbobalmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;m a semi pro musician. The market makes plenty of sense if you adopt the idea that:<p>a) any commodity will eventually be priced at its cost of producution<p>b) recorded art is a commodity, at least at the level of record labels and national acts<p>I make more playing piano by myself for 30 people at a winery in the Texas hill country than I could playing in a really hopping stage band in Austin... one experience is costing the folks engaged in it a lot more, and there is a lot less competition.<p>The only reason I sell merch is because rich people would rather buy something than tip a service worker.
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jqbx_jasonalmost 7 years ago
I built JQBX (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jqbx.fm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jqbx.fm</a>) so I think about streaming, money, and the law a lot. The industry is very focused on siphoning off as much cash from the musician as possible. That being said, in the age of streaming that seems like a common model (Psy got $2 mil for 2 billion views!?). I think direct sales is the most promising future for artists compensation given that there are so many new sales and social channels. Bandcamp is does good work and if you&#x27;re going to buy music (and the artist is on there) you should probably do it there. I know I&#x27;m a small fish but I&#x27;m integrating on some direct to artist sales features currently to at least help the cause.
cm2012almost 7 years ago
An example of live performance making money - my friend and I busked the summer after high school and made $15 an hour or so, 6 hours a day before our voices gave out. So we were each able to make around $4k for college over two months. Annualized, $24k a year is not great, but it was a lot to us, and we also got about a gig offer per week which we declined. If we had wanted to be full time musicians we probably could have had a decent career in short order.
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WalterBrightalmost 7 years ago
The era of a musician making a $100m is over.<p>The same thing has happened to books and software.<p>I&#x27;m a little surprised that movies can still make so much money. There&#x27;s an explosion of video being made.
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probably_wrongalmost 7 years ago
I thought the article would focus a bit more on the &quot;or don&#x27;t&quot; part. I think Courtney Love&#x27;s article on the economics of being a new musician would have added an interesting perspective to the (already complex) issue: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.salon.com&#x2F;2000&#x2F;06&#x2F;14&#x2F;love_7&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.salon.com&#x2F;2000&#x2F;06&#x2F;14&#x2F;love_7&#x2F;</a><p>Edit: note that the article is from 2000, and the landscape has changed a bit since then.
jv22222almost 7 years ago
I think we need a platform that is a cross between Spotify and Patreon.<p>Then, artists can aim to bring in subscribers who pay them something like $2-5&#x2F;month to support them as a patron.<p>You can already do this on patreon but I think a specialized platform would have more sway.<p>The platform could also sell bands enhanced band pages for a small subscription fee too.<p>Basically, a platform to fully connect artists with fans where the fans WANT to buy the music in order to support the band.
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canadianwriteralmost 7 years ago
I wrote a somewhat related article a few years back that I think is very relevant to this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kolemcrae.com&#x2F;the-internet-killed-the-rock-star-and-why-thats-okay&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kolemcrae.com&#x2F;the-internet-killed-the-rock-star-and-...</a><p>The days a massive rock stars is over - it&#x27;s not too bad though...
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digi_owlalmost 7 years ago
Old man Zappa comes to mind...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0</a>
WalterBrightalmost 7 years ago
&gt; “When you end up tracing all the dollars, around 10 percent of it gets captured by the artist. “That’s amazingly low,”<p>Actually, that&#x27;s pretty good. Compare it to the profit margin of most any business.
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jplayer01almost 7 years ago
ITT A bunch of music snobs who think music is dead and they just don&#x27;t make great music anymore and it all sounds the same.
joewrongalmost 7 years ago
&gt; &quot;with many analysts and experts expecting that the business will streamline itself&quot;<p>Seems like wishful thinking