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Tinder founders sue parent companies Match and IAC for at least $2B

239 pointsby hvoalmost 7 years ago

13 comments

JumpCrisscrossalmost 7 years ago
&gt; <i>The suit alleges that IAC and Match Group manipulated financial data in order to create &#x27;a fake lowball valuation&#x27; (to quote the plaintiffs’ press release), then stripped Rad, Mateen, Badeen and others of their stock options</i><p>Wait, they didn&#x27;t exercise their options into the sale? Did the founders hire a team of squirrels as their bankers? This is M&amp;A 101 when switching to majority control.<p>EDIT: Ah, Tinder was launched as an internal project at Match. Taking options in a majority-owned entity is...odd. There is no proper way to value a majority-owned entity without discounting for the majority ownership. Issuing options for the parent would have been a better offer and better ask.
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geofftalmost 7 years ago
In 2014, former Tinder VP Whitney Wolfe, who previously had a &quot;cofounder&quot; title (and would later go on to found Bumble), sued IAC and Match over sexual harassment from another Tinder &quot;cofounder&quot; Justin Mateen, who is one of the plaintiffs in <i>this</i> lawsuit. (I put &quot;cofounder&quot; in quotation marks because it was an internal project at IAC and the history is a complicated.) Mateen was suspended and the lawsuit was settled for $1M.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;the-switch&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;01&#x2F;read-the-most-surprising-allegations-from-the-tinder-sexual-harassment-lawsuit&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;the-switch&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;01...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;09&#x2F;whitney-wolfe-vs-tinder&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;09&#x2F;whitney-wolfe-vs-tinder&#x2F;</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;valleywag.gawker.com&#x2F;every-fucked-up-text-from-the-tinder-sexual-harassment-1598642609" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;valleywag.gawker.com&#x2F;every-fucked-up-text-from-the-ti...</a><p>Earlier this year Match and Bumble both sued each other in the midst of an attempt from Match to acquire Bumble. I am a little lost but I think Match &#x2F; Tinder sued for $450M for patent infringement and Bumble countersued for $400M for using the lawsuit to make them look less attractive to potential (non-Match) acquirers?
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hello_asdfalmost 7 years ago
That is a brutal response from Match and IAC. Their statement also mentions that two separate banks were part of the valuation. I&#x27;d be curious what their proof is. A couple fun phrases from the statement:<p>&gt; <i>his merry band of plaintiffs</i><p>&gt; <i>but sour grapes alone do not a lawsuit make</i>
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nlhalmost 7 years ago
Random semi-tangential question: It seems that when companies&#x2F;PR people&#x2F;lawyers respond to lawsuits, they always use some version of this EXACT phrase:<p>&quot;The allegations in the complaint are meritless, and ____ intends to vigorously defend against them.&quot;<p>Responses almost always use the word &quot;meritless&quot; (or &quot;baseless&quot;) and almost always describe their forthcoming response to be &quot;vigorous&quot;.<p>Is there a legal reason why these responses always use the same language? Or is this like an inside joke in legal circles?
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forkLdingalmost 7 years ago
For those who don&#x27;t know, Tinder was launched by Sean Rad and his team out of IAC&#x27;s incubator Hatch Labs and IAC owns most of Tinder since launch.<p>More detailed link here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hollywoodreporter.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;barry-dillers-iac-sued-by-tinder-founders-2-billion-1134767" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hollywoodreporter.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;barry-dillers-iac-sue...</a>
msmith10101almost 7 years ago
Glad to see founders get the employee treatment ;-)
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ArtWombalmost 7 years ago
$3B valuation sounds quite reasonable for Tinder. Even with Tinder Gold &quot;resetting the metrics&quot; with per transaction monetization.<p>$IAC total revenues last quarter was approx $1B. At market valuation ~$16B. I could be very wrong, but valuing Tinder at $10B seems upper bound optimistic to me. Match probably enjoys 10x engagement.
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mistrial9almost 7 years ago
I suspect that Tinder came from the Hot-or-Not Mashup Camp contest entry years ago .. Can anyone confirm that ?
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bradbattalmost 7 years ago
&quot;Mr. Rad and his merry band of plaintiffs&quot;<p>I sometimes really love legalese.
pssflopsalmost 7 years ago
Mom always said if you play with match.com, you&#x27;re going to get burned.
CryoLogicalmost 7 years ago
tl;dr<p>match.com: we would like to buy tinder.<p>tinder: for how much?<p>match.com: we will offer you our stock in exchange for yours at a fair valuation.<p>tinder: okay!<p>match: alrighty accountants, round down on everything and use the methodologies that provide tinder with the lowest valuation.<p>tinder: not fair!
rajacombinatoralmost 7 years ago
If you had this obviously brilliant app idea why would you launch it as an internal project? Something about the founding story here has never added up.
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mandeepjalmost 7 years ago
using their domain terminology, just for fun -<p>Match, Tinder and Bumble are in a weird relationship. Match tried to make an inappropriate pass atTinder, but she is not interested, so considers it as a sexual harassment. Same goes for Bumble.<p>This is a relationship 101. If they can&#x27;t settle internally then they should leave this dating business :-)
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