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Convincing engineers to join your team

168 pointsby Harjover 6 years ago

17 comments

ninetaxover 6 years ago
&gt; ... the final step is presenting them an offer to join your team and convincing them to accept it.<p>I think more effort could be made to sell before the candidate decides to interview. The best candidates have to be sold on the opportunity before they invest their time into an interview process because they have so many opportunities available.<p>Widen the funnel at the mouth.<p>Anecdotally I have had many experiences where the hiring manager didn&#x27;t take the time to listen to what I was looking for before launching into their 10 minute spiel give everyone, and then they ask me for phone screen availability. Why is this the right opportunity for <i>me</i>?<p>EDIT: after reading TFA, I see this is exactly what they&#x27;re advocating for. cool!
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chadashover 6 years ago
During the recruiting process, I expect a company to be putting its best foot forward. If things seem disorganized at that stage, then I assume that day-to-day operations at the company are even <i>more</i> disorganized.<p>Additionally, it always makes a big difference to me if people high up in the organization (even if they aren&#x27;t technical) are involved in the interview process. If a founder or C-level employee spends some time talking to me during the hiring process, it&#x27;s a positive sign that they see this as an important position and you as an important hire.
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tootieover 6 years ago
My phone screen technique is more old school but I think works well. I pick their top language or domain (web or mobile or whatever) and ask 10 trivia questions. Medium difficulty questions I&#x27;d expect a programmer with any experience to answer. I look for maybe 70% correct and I look for quick answers. You know it or you don&#x27;t. And I set that expectation up front so they can give me a few &quot;I don&#x27;t know&quot;s with no penalty.<p>This is my sanity check and I think it&#x27;s faster and more accurate than a FizzBuzz and doesn&#x27;t require screenshare.
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maerF0x0over 6 years ago
&gt; Have your recruiter keep a list of reasons why candidates said they wouldn&#x27;t move forward<p>So companies want this kind of feedback, but won&#x27;t provide it?
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ashelmireover 6 years ago
What&#x27;s with the standard of doing a full day interview? Who does this work for other than fresh graduates? I don&#x27;t want to spend a whole day (which I have to request off from my current employer) answering probably-silly technical puzzles as the first round interview (the 25 minute phone call doesn&#x27;t really count since it sounds like just a pitch).<p>Does a full day of whiteboarding really get you better candidates than say, a single hour technical interview or 1 or 2 hour homework? I&#x27;d rather do half a dozen video chat interviews spread out over a month than give a whole day just for the possibility of a new job. I&#x27;d prefer a single technical interview or homework over that by a mile.<p>If you tell me your interview process is a 25 minute call followed by a whole day of technical interviews, I&#x27;ll tell you to take a hike.
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throwaway9412over 6 years ago
Hear that everyone?<p>&quot;As a startup it&#x27;s hard to compete with Facebook and Google compensation packages, especially for senior engineers&quot;<p>Also, Oracle apparently had a lot of success building out their bare metal (now cloud infrastructure) team by making uncharacteristically (for them) good offers.<p>You can hire good people, if you&#x27;re willing to pay them. Bullshit doesn&#x27;t work anymore.
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OmarIsmailover 6 years ago
This is a great post and founders&#x2F;hiring managers&#x2F;junior recruiters are advised to listen to them. After a continual refinement of our own process over many years we&#x27;ve landed on almost this exact process near completely independently. This is a standard for a reason. You will save yourself A LOT of headaches if you incorporate this feedback into your own hiring processes.<p>I also highly recommend Marco Rodgers&#x27; advice <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;firstround.com&#x2F;review&#x2F;my-lessons-from-interviewing-400-engineers-over-three-startups&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;firstround.com&#x2F;review&#x2F;my-lessons-from-interviewing-40...</a><p>For people that are &quot;too good for this process&quot; - well, in my experience those are the ones that aren&#x27;t a good fit for most organizations. You&#x27;re self selecting out and limiting your own options. For some people that&#x27;s totally fine, but for most I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s good advice.
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throwaway8610over 6 years ago
Has anyone been able to reapply to Triplebyte after an initial rejection? Somewhat relevant question as this is an article by Triplebyte and Harj who I understand is a YC partner. They say you can reapply after 4 months but I can&#x27;t find how to do that when I login and emails to their support line go unanswered.
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tuxidomasxover 6 years ago
I often hear or read about how there is a developer&#x2F;software engineer shortage. And the rising salaries seem to reflect that-- supply and demand and all that...<p>Yet it seems that there are hundreds of applicants vying for each position.<p>How is this possible? Are there really that many lesser-skilled people trying to finagle their way in as software developers? Is the shortage one of _skilled_ engineers, while the deluge of applicants is a result of posers and imposters trying to get a slice of the pie?
tptacekover 6 years ago
Broken record, but here&#x27;s our hiring process:<p>1. An initial call, handled by a principal (&quot;founder&quot;), with the objective of explaining the role and the company and arming the candidate with as much detail about the hiring process as is practicable.<p>2. A followup in email shortly thereafter confirming interest and locking down schedule.<p>3. 1-3 work-sample challenges (our current set, for the role we&#x27;re hiring now, is a short combined AWS&#x2F;Django security assessment, an automated best-effort-secure deployment of that Django app in a fresh AWS environment we provide, and a short API scanner programming challenge):<p>3a. Introduction: provide the candidate with advance knowledge of what will be on the challenge and what they&#x27;ll want to know going in, along with time expectations.<p>3b. Preparation: offer the candidate books, links to presentations, and a practice version of the challenge to get confident and comfortable with the challenge.<p>3c. The challenge proper.<p>3d. Scoring: each challenge has a pre-built scoring rubric, on a 1-5 scale, designed so that anyone on the team can quickly score a submission.<p>4. Meet in person: after informing the candidate they did well on technical qualification, we do a single round of in-person &quot;interviews&quot;; no whiteboard, no coding, just meet and greet and discuss logistics.<p>5. Offer.<p>Missing from this process:<p>1. Recruiters.<p>2. Resumes.<p>3. Telephone interviews.<p>4. Technical interviews from members of the engineering team.<p>5. Any significant interruption to the engineering team&#x27;s work.<p>6. Interview exercises with a member of our team watching you code.<p>7. Free pizza and coffee (though I guess if you asked, we&#x27;d send you one).<p>8. 5 of the 6 hours onsite this recommended process includes.<p>I&#x27;m happy to keep repeating this just as a sort of reminder that we&#x27;re hiring, but this is a streamlined and improved (we didn&#x27;t have practice challenges at Matasano!) version of the way we&#x27;ve been hiring for coming up on 10 years, <i>and it works spectacularly well for us</i>. People keep telling me why what we&#x27;re doing can&#x27;t work, and I keep wondering what I&#x27;m doing wrong to make it work.<p>You should consider cutting way back on interviews --- especially telephone interviews, which I&#x27;ve found to be completely worthless as generators of real insight into candidates --- and replacing them with work-sample challenges. But be serious about it if you do: candidates hate &quot;take-home projects&quot;, and when I ask them about it, it always turns out that those projects precede or follow a standard interview loop. Fuck the interview loop. Interviews are a random function. Figure out what skills you need candidates to have on day 1, and then just build something that checks if candidates have those skills.
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TinyBigover 6 years ago
The industry standard onsite interview to offer rate seems astonishingly low at 20%. Is this symptomatic of poor filtering early in the pipeline?
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jedbergover 6 years ago
&gt; A complaint we hear from Triplebyte candidates is being asked how likely they would be to accept an offer before knowing the actual offer details. The reality is that compensation details are a large factor in where people decide to work and you can&#x27;t expect someone to know if they want to work for you without giving them that data.<p>The numerical salary shouldn&#x27;t be the deciding factor. I want to know if you&#x27;re interested in the work that you&#x27;ll be doing and the team you&#x27;ll be working with. I don&#x27;t want you to think, &quot;man I wasn&#x27;t going to go there but they offered a huge salary!&quot;.<p>Of course the salary is relevant, but I want to know that we&#x27;re just negotiating on the number, and not number+job.<p>Are you interested in the work that we&#x27;ll be doing? Yes? Good, is this number high enough to make it worth your while? No? Ok, well that was the highest I could go, so thanks for your time.
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torgianover 6 years ago
I’ve had many interviews such as “all day interviews” to ones that were only an hour or two at a time in America.<p>The current position I’ve accepted is a German owned company that has a Japanese branch. Small company. Pay is low when compared to compensation I could get in America.<p>BUT, the interview process was simple. Skype video call with a few people at the same time. Met two of the owners while vacationing in Japan. Got an offer and accepted it.<p>Despite the low pay, I accepted it because it is completely remote. The work is fulfilling (right now my project involves data that can help farmers). I’m learning a lot of new stuff.<p>It’s actually because of all three that I might stay long term. Remote, fulfilling work, and learning new things checked all the boxes despite the low pay.<p>Stuff like that matters. Many companies don’t understand this.
jaggederestover 6 years ago
Definitely shows their expertise in the space. Strongly agree with all of this, one of the most important things for me as a candidate is to feel appreciated as a person, not just &quot;headcount&quot;. Being thoughtful and considerate is a very rare thing in a hiring process.
jakobeggerover 6 years ago
Very valuable advise!<p>When I hired my first employees, I focussed too much on compensation. I ran the numbers and offered as much as I could afford.<p>I was really disappointed when great candidates declined my offers, and went with other companies that didn&#x27;t even pay more (I asked).<p>Now I understand that I just failed to excite them. You really need to tell people how awesome the work is, good engineers will always have many options. And also understand that what excites you may not be what excites the candidate, so starting with asking about what the candidate is looking for is a really good idea.
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expertentippover 6 years ago
You are not Facebook, you are not Google, you are not Apple. You will never be any of these. They have piles of cash and can afford almost anything, they have unimaginable datasets about private lifes of billions of people. Stop using the same practices as them, stop using the same frameworks and stacks as them, even reconsider using technologies produced by them.
hotpotjunkieover 6 years ago
Why would companies need to change anything? Every engineering job gets hundreds of applicants. Its an employers&#x27; market.
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