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YouTube stars heading for burnout

140 pointsby cirrus-cloudsover 6 years ago

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mikekcharover 6 years ago
As stupid as this is going to sound, I think about this quite a bit in terms of writing a blog. I&#x27;ve wanted to do it for a long time and in the past people have been very kind and supportive of my writing. However, when I think about the reality of what it takes to make a successful blog, I get very nervous about it.<p>I mean, it&#x27;s dumb because the chances of writing a successful blog is next to nil. And the way to exit the scene is easy: stop writing content. But it&#x27;s the path that worries me. You need to write a lot of relevant content -- almost certainly more content than you can reasonably think about critically. You will be judged on that content. If you make a mistake or change your mind, then you can be treated very harshly. It seems that the masses have this binary view of their celebrities: genius or moron. The more popular you get, the more people have you in their sights aiming to plonk you firmly in the latter category.<p>For a long time, I&#x27;ve spent ridiculous amounts of time writing in safe havens like HN comment sections: because I truly love writing. I like thinking about stuff and breaking it down. I like explaining the insights that I find. And most of all, I like the fact that <i>somebody reads what I write</i>. I like thinking that I&#x27;ve connected with somebody else who I don&#x27;t even know.<p>I seem to remember a set of rules for writers by Stephen King (although my recollection doesn&#x27;t seem to match what Google returns to me). In one of them he says to prepare yourself for an unbelievable amount of criticism. It&#x27;s this that worries me the most. I don&#x27;t mind criticism, per se, but I don&#x27;t want to have to deal with a reputation based on ideas formed from my prose.<p>&quot;He&#x27;s the dufus who believes that unit tests shouldn&#x27;t test requirements. What a moron,&quot; is fine when I&#x27;m dealing with people who know me. It&#x27;s down right terrifying when dealing with people who are potentially going to interview me for a job :-) A slight miscalculation in how you describe something, a popular misconception arising from rumours of your writing, or even just having a derpy day because you didn&#x27;t think it through before you put pen to paper... And suddenly, you are the moron in the eyes of millions.<p>Like I said, it&#x27;s putting the cart before the horse by a long, long way, but it still stops me from writing, which is a massive shame. Somehow I must overcome it (advice is welcome, BTW!)
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vanilla-almondover 6 years ago
The BBC made a brilliant spoof series on becoming a YouTube vlogger called &#x27;Pls Like&#x27;. The whole thing is available on YouTube to watch (not geo-blocked as far I know). It&#x27;s 6 episodes of 15 mins each.<p>No matter which country you&#x27;re from, you&#x27;ll recognise all the vlogger types in the series: the lifestyle vlogger, the fashion vlogger, the prankster etc. It actually touches on a lot of the issues in the Guardian article: the need for views, the pressure to make content &#x27;viral&#x27;, sponsored content, rivalry between vloggers. It&#x27;s all done with a lot of humour while highlighting these issues.<p>I thoroughly recommend it (and in case you are wondering, the vloggers are all actors, not real vloggers):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;playlist?list=PL64ScZt2I7wFF538Kn0TRqDyv2TbNuemk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;playlist?list=PL64ScZt2I7wFF538Kn0TR...</a>
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sidstlingover 6 years ago
I respect people who have the ability to entertain thousands of viewers, I really do. At the same time I’m really happy that wasn’t even an option when I was young. I’m sure I would have spent even more time playing video games if esports, twitch and YouTube had been a thing in the 90ies.<p>I know, I know, not everyone is alike, but at age 35 I’m really happy that my job involves serious adult challenges, and that my success in life isn’t depending on thousands of teenagers pushing a like button.
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elvinyungover 6 years ago
The neoliberal condition is in part characterized by the entrepreneurialization of everything, the penetration of Michel Foucault&#x27;s <i>homo economicus</i> (entrepreneur of the self) into more and more spheres of production, consumption, and everyday life. Increasingly, you&#x27;re an &quot;entrepreneur&quot; no matter what, whether you&#x27;re a food truck owner, a freelance designer, an Uber driver, an Airbnb host, a YouTube star. Entrepreneur means a blurring of boundaries, working from home, homing from work.<p>In my possibly-naive opinion, it wouldn&#x27;t be such a problem, if only we didn&#x27;t tie value and self-worth so much on work, both culturally and politically. This entrepreneurialization goes hand-in-hand with the condition of <i>precarity</i>, feeling like you <i>have</i> to work your ass off, have to stay at the top of your game, to keep making a living, because you have no other way to live. It is incredibly dangerous, and it&#x27;s increasingly defining us, the millennial and post-millennial generations.
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wybiralover 6 years ago
In my experience the frustrating part about YouTube is when the crowd wants content that you&#x27;re not interested in making.<p>For instance, I&#x27;ve made a few videos about building clusters from Raspberry Pi&#x27;s, which I did just for kicks and to have something to play around with. They get more attention than my (imo more interesting) videos about programming or various other electronics topics, to the point that it dwarfs my other views.<p>So I have to choose between disappointing the majority of my subscribers or making content that I don&#x27;t actually enjoy or stand by just for the views.<p>PS: I also learned very quickly that the YouTube comments section is chaotic and is not a recommended place for someone looking for thoughtful critique on their material.
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epxover 6 years ago
I have an YouTube channel, mostly for personal stuff. I did some effort to record some videos about several subjects, none had more than a hundred viewers. Then, in a sudden, a very shaky and short video with a Mallet steam locomotive punctured the Algorithm Wall and had thousands of views per day... I was even making $20&#x2F;mo off YouTube until the early 2018 changes took place.<p>And the fact is, divisive content is king these days. Nobody, humans or algorithms, are interested in balanced opinions these days.
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durzagottover 6 years ago
I&#x27;ve unwittingly enjoyed Matt Lee&#x27;s content on &#x27;Shut Up and Sit Down&#x27;, a board game review channel. I&#x27;ve always found him, and his colleagues, really good at what they do and find it professional.<p>I didn&#x27;t know about Matt&#x27;s background on Youtube, but a bit of Googling and I found he&#x27;s had a really rough ride. As well as the stress and health problems others have mentioned, his wife also developed cancer a few years ago and was very close to dying.<p>All the while he still manages to produce witty, engaging content for a fickle audience. Honestly, the guy deserves a bit more respect for his craft than the comments in this thread are giving.
Ricardusover 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t find this surprising. When I started podcasting in 2005, even doing a weekly &#x27;cast with my friend and co-host was a lot of work. We also had day jobs. But the pressure to create content was still there. These full time youtubers must feel in 100x more, particularly if they have Patreon people to keep happy. We derived no income from our show, and in fact it cost us money to produce.<p>In some ways I wish some of these monetizing platforms existed when we were around. It would have been fun to see if we could have gone anywhere with it. But then we might have succumb to these issues, as well.<p>I guess it all comes back to &quot;Be careful what you wish for...&quot;
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jsonneover 6 years ago
This article is really relatable. Personal story time. I recently had a mini hit on Reddit where I started a community that&#x27;s about 2800 people who come to me for marketing tips every day. It&#x27;s both exhilarating and terrifying. Having a community, making content about my passion, and being able to perform is really all I&#x27;ve ever wanted. On the other hand I&#x27;m insanely cognizant of losing it at any time. There is no break and I know even a slight lull can stop it before it ever really even gets close to its potential. God forbid I give bad advice, or someone 1 ups me in the comments and I&#x27;m no longer the expert. That combined with the fact that most marketing isn&#x27;t all that interesting has me increasingly searching for more and more all the time ever cognizant I don&#x27;t want to bore and lose my audience. I&#x27;ve been mitigating this by filming 3 videos a day and embracing an intentionally raw style, but it still requires daily upkeep in addition to my agency which demands 10 to 12 hours anyways. Don&#x27;t get me wrong I love it and I&#x27;m insanely grateful, but there is a lot of stress that surrounds this sort of thing.
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judNellover 6 years ago
<p><pre><code> Ninja, makes an estimated $500,000 (£384,000) every month via live broadcasts of him playing the video game Fortnite on Twitch, a service for livestreaming video games that is owned by Amazon. Most of Blevins’ revenue comes from Twitch subscribers or viewers who provide one-off donations (often in the hope that he will thank them by name “on air”). </code></pre> There is something <i>fantastically</i> wrong about the way internet economies operate. In the same way so many other sub-economies panhandle, in exchange for absolutely nothing.
stephengillieover 6 years ago
&gt; <i>Like all YouTubers, Morton also feels the financial pressure of the system, which typically pays between £1.50 and £3 for every 1,000 views.</i><p>Based on this, creators have to be close to the 1 million views per month mark to be making over $24,000 per year.<p>It&#x27;s no secret that YouTube is wildly unprofitable, from every angle. In a way, it&#x27;s a transfer of wealth from AdWords, so our society is paying for YouTube through ads; just mostly not through the ads on YouTube.
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menacinglyover 6 years ago
This is an interesting story, definitely worth a click, but isn&#x27;t it sort of also just the fundamental issues humans face in all pursuits that are based on interest?<p>I feel like you&#x27;d get the same spirit of complaint from a disenchanted musician, actor, chef, or even entrepreneur.<p>&quot;It&#x27;s a lot harder than I thought. The market&#x27;s tastes are fickle, I&#x27;ve got to make stuff to please them instead of things that creatively satisfy me. If I stop relentlessly competing I can&#x27;t pay my bills&quot;<p>I&#x27;m older than the average youtube star, but I don&#x27;t begrudge their success or view them as trivial people like a lot of my peers. That said, perhaps it&#x27;s the _initial_ grand slam success and money that is the aberration (like app store hits at their peak), and the &quot;bad side&quot; is simply a sort of market correction where you&#x27;ve got to do unenjoyable things roughly commensurate with the payoff.
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biqlover 6 years ago
I guess any activity that requires repetition becomes bleak sooner or later because brain craves variety. I guess it can be the inner voice telling that by getting obsessed over only one thing, you can miss out the chance to explore other aspects of life. But as it has been said, everything sucks, most of the time we&#x27;re simply choosing what sucks less.
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pavanlimoover 6 years ago
As with everything else there is always a spectrum and this represents the dark end of the spectrum. I follow a bunch of tech youtubers (like MKBHD) who represent the happy side of the spectrum.
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jarjouraover 6 years ago
How is this different than any other prestigious high performance job? Okay great, you busted your ass and you made it to the top, and now you have to bust your ass to stay there. I also don’t really think it’s fair to attach YouTube to the title. This article can be applied to all social media celebrities in all their various platforms.
kragormonkeyover 6 years ago
I wonder if this is specific to YouTube in any way. E.g., I&#x27;d stop visiting xkcd if Randall didn&#x27;t keep uploading regularly. Most open source projects (including mine) turn into GitHub graveyard because we can&#x27;t provide even the most basic maintenance and support. Lots of traditional-media pop stars have also famously burnt out.<p>In general, it is hard work to cultivate a proper institution that spreads out the load and makes this sustainable. And the skill for managing that is never really taught anywhere. Most &quot;lone artists&quot; don&#x27;t even realize it&#x27;s needed until it&#x27;s too late. And that&#x27;s where most of this frustration stems from. Culturally we focus too much on that one &quot;big break&quot;, or the &quot;eureka moment&quot;.
amarandover 6 years ago
I&#x27;d watched a few videos talking about the old-time YouTube content generators in the &quot;Wild West&quot; of the site, compared with the current grind. They tweaked things so it only seems to make sense - monetization-wise - to be a content generator if you&#x27;re able to keep up with posting high-quality content daily. Myself, I&#x27;d want to post great videos that people enjoy, and if the following grows, great! If not, I would just do what I want to do. If something else is more fun, I&#x27;ll do that. But I&#x27;m not sure it&#x27;s a good idea to try to make YouTube videos a work-from-home paying gig unless you really enjoy whatever content you&#x27;re generating. And making regular, high-quality videos is a lot of work, not to mention regular, meaningful content that people with engage with. Otherwise, you&#x27;re just screaming into the void.
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dogma1138over 6 years ago
Who knew hard work can be hard, this reads less like an actual deep analysis and more like people complaining they need to actually put in work to get paid.<p>&gt;‘invisible’ labour such as interacting with fans is ‘a major contributor to occupational stress. In many cases it can contribute to PTSD’.<p>Are you kidding me? they are not fans they are your &quot;customers&quot; or at least your &quot;consumers&quot; public and customer relations are a key part of nearly every business out there that doesn&#x27;t rely on accidental walk-ins for the majority of their business.<p>If you can&#x27;t handle it then hire someone who can or find another business, PTSD? from what? reading fan mail? even if it contains death threats you can&#x27;t get PTSD from that there is no trauma, what you have here it just a lazy person that realized that omg running a business that serves tens of thousands of people daily is hard.
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0xBA5EDover 6 years ago
Surprise. It&#x27;s just a new face on an ancient profession: Entertainment. And it comes with similar challenges.
umviover 6 years ago
I&#x27;ve noticed a few big YouTubers talking about burnout. Smooth McGroove most recently comes to mind.
village-idiotover 6 years ago
Sometimes the most bitter poison is everything you’d ever asked for.<p>Humans really are terrible at estimating what will make them happy.
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ravenstineover 6 years ago
&gt; Divisive content is the king of online media today, and YouTube heavily boosts anything that riles people up [...]<p>I look upon this idea skeptically. In my experience, the content delivered to me is as divisive as the videos I&#x27;ve already watched. If someone is getting divisive content, that&#x27;s probably the content that they <i>want</i> to watch. Is it really up to YouTube to determine if a person has been watching content that&#x27;s too divisive, like a bartender who cuts off a someone who&#x27;s had too many drinks?<p>When I log out of my YouTube account or open YouTube in incognito mode, all I see are viral videos and nothing that&#x27;s &quot;divisive&quot;. For example, the YouTube homepage without being logged in shows prank videos, Rube Goldberg type fascination videos, educational videos, Mexican music, daytime TV crap, SNL skits, and pop music.<p>So basically, in order to get to the divisive stuff, you have to already be using search queries that will bring one to political commentators.<p>But then what should be done? If someone is watching a lot of videos by the far left, should the recommended videos proportionally include more videos by right wing commentators? Is this really what people want?<p>Sorry that this is tangental from the actual point of the article, but I&#x27;ve read of this idea multiple times before and it&#x27;s always asserted as if it&#x27;s a matter of fact, but I&#x27;m not sure I buy it.
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mancerayderover 6 years ago
<i>The anxieties are tied up with the relentless nature of their work. Tyler Blevins, AKA Ninja, makes an estimated $500,000 (£384,000) every month via live broadcasts of him playing the video game Fortnite on Twitch, a service for livestreaming video games that is owned by Amazon. Most of Blevins’ revenue comes from Twitch subscribers or viewers who provide one-off donations (often in the hope that he will thank them by name “on air”). Blevins recently took to Twitter to complain that he didn’t feel he could stop streaming. “Wanna know the struggles of streaming over other jobs?” he wrote, perhaps ill-advisedly for someone with such a stratospheric income. “I left for less than 48 hours and lost 40,000 subscribers on Twitch. I’ll be back today… grinding again.”</i><p>This fits into the stereotype of Millennials as entitled. He makes 500k a month, but can&#x27;t get off the hamster wheel? Poor soul.
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profosaurover 6 years ago
Stay strong, the Tech Lead, if you are out there.
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sigi45over 6 years ago
&quot;most fun job&quot;? There are many reasons why I don&#x27;t work as a YouTuber. And I do not wanna be a &quot;star&quot;
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anonymous5133over 6 years ago
If they feel burnout then they should just stop making videos for awhile or move on to doing something else.
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