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How to be alone: the difference between loneliness and solitude

223 pointsby aytekinover 6 years ago

22 comments

newscrackerover 6 years ago
There’s one more state — a new kind of “alone connectedness” that most people seem to prefer, which has been fostered and magnified by the Internet and social platforms (I include HN as one of those).<p>Without even communicating with others, even if there are known people in physical proximity, many people feel connected just by being “lurkers” in their favorite corners of the Internet. This is not like passive watching of (live) TV, but is a bit more of a controlled and conscious exercise. So connectedness (as an oppposite of loneliness) is not just about actively interacting with others, but being in a place where relatable people exist. The same applies to outings too. Just being anywhere where other people seem to be is enough to feel it.
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classichasclassover 6 years ago
I lived alone for almost 17 years in two different apartments (one for 11 of them) and this house until I got married, and even now my wife is overseas for months at a time right now because of what we&#x27;ve gotta do. Solitude is a big part of my life.<p>In the very beginning it could sometimes be very lonely even though I&#x27;ve known I was an introvert since junior high. The worst times were indeed when there was nothing to do. I have to confess the biggest motivator it took for me to evolve and embrace solitude was to realize my fellow medical students had lives of their own and my entire relevance to them was based on what I could fix for them, not who I was. This made me very bitter for awhile, but it also made me determined not to base my happiness on what anyone else thought. It was a lot easier in my second apartment where I had more room and a better layout for hobbies and many of these hobbies I found still bring me enjoyment today. I learned to be one on my own.<p>It is helpful my wife is also an introvert and we had been friends online for awhile before we dated, so she understood this perspective fairly instinctively.
monster_groupover 6 years ago
FTA - &quot;The interesting thing about the 52 Hertz whale isn’t its loneliness. After all, it can’t be lonely; loneliness is a man-made condition.&quot;<p>I find this rather presumptuous. Whales are highly intelligent animals. To allege that they can&#x27;t be lonely erodes author&#x27;s credibility.
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0n0n0m0uzover 6 years ago
I am very glad to know there are many people out there like myself. This article touched on many good points. I prefer to be alone about 70% of the time. I NEVER feel lonely, in fact just the opposite. I feel inspired in thought and connected to the massive pulsating power of our universe and everything in it. To be around people actually pulls me down into the superficiality of EGO which is not where I prefer to spend my time. I have practiced meditation for more than 10 years now and I credit this practice with allowing me to find comfort and power in Solitude. It really is a super power in today&#x27;s world. I am completely comfortable with myself simply sitting on a bench doing nothing. I do not need more than that. There are certainly times where I do want to be around like minded people. I am constantly getting pressure from family etc.. to change my ways. The vast majority of people are obviously not like this.
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majosover 6 years ago
Boy, HN loves articles about solitude and loneliness. And it&#x27;s a distinction that often crops up in discussion here.<p>I think there&#x27;s a balance here, and cultivating some amount of loneliness -- not solitude -- is also good. For example, two people in my life are &quot;Alice&quot; and &quot;Bob&quot;, who have been married for decades. Alice once told me that one of Bob&#x27;s great weaknesses was that he&#x27;d been alone for too long in his teens and 20s. This had benefits: Bob&#x27;s social needs are low to non-existent, and while he has loving family and friends, he enjoys sustained solitude. For example, weeks of overseas travel where nobody knows him and he doesn&#x27;t talk much are great fun for him.<p>The downside was that he got <i>too</i> used to this. Engaging with other people is messy and hard to control. If you don&#x27;t have that gnawing bit inside that&#x27;s hungry for attention and connection, it&#x27;s easy to decide all that mess isn&#x27;t worth it. That can hurt people who need those connections more, as they may feel themselves weak or pathetic by comparison. Relationships with other people can become strained if you are at least approximately self-sufficient.<p>Briefly, my point is most people need (or at least want) to be needed. Somebody who&#x27;s truly content with solitude isn&#x27;t going to put that need out there, so relationships with such a person might be more difficult. Of course, too much need is another problem. But a little need seems good.<p>(This point is pretty tailored to the HN community, which appears to have a lot of stoicism and solitude devotees. I like both too, but I think the point above is worth remembering. The mutual exchange of vulnerabilities is an important component of close friendships.)
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drewmasseyover 6 years ago
I actually think the author is really smart to point out boredom as an ingredient in the mix. I’m friends with a pretty successful writer who told me a couple of months ago how hard it was to get bored in the modern world, and yet, if you aren’t kind of bored, it is very hard to access the full extent of your imagination to come up with ideas that no one else would.
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moneytide1over 6 years ago
I enjoy solitude because I&#x27;ve always had this fear of being a burden to someone else. I take pride in my self sufficiency because of this - I seek to be a provider, not a consumer.<p>Though more recently I&#x27;ve started to see this behavior as a defense mechanism against predatory people. I&#x27;ve been an observer of many dinner table conversations among rent-seeking types, which slowly erodes away my faith in people (the current commander-in-chief of the US is the perfect physical manifestation of this type of thinking - the &quot;I was here first so now I can extract wealth from society&quot; mentality. And it works, because people are eager to pay for luxury real estate)<p>But I digress. And digression is a consequence of solitude since you are not frequently bouncing ideas between other people. It can become a self imposed echo chamber, rationalizing things the way you want without a reality check.<p>As pessimistic as I sound, I know that there are many pure, selfless people in the world. Lots of them have YouTube channels that I&#x27;ll check up on every few weeks. I want to find more of them and shower them with resources.<p>Apologies for the stream of consciousness format. Apparently I&#x27;m leaning more towards loneliness than solitude at the moment, and this article is a prompt to share something outside of my own head.
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factsaresacredover 6 years ago
One of the better of the many (many!) articles on loneliness that have cropped on HN recently. Dovetails nicely with the Digital Nomad post from yesterday.<p>Solitude isn&#x27;t lonely because you&#x27;re spending time with yourself - it&#x27;s a self-imposed retreat in order to write, code, make music, build or reflect. As a result, it&#x27;s often self-actualizing and you like this version of yourself very much.<p>Loneliness, conversely - especially the kind which manifests despite being in a crowded room - can stem from the feeling that one belongs in a different place, with different people, doing different things. For this <i>is this it?</i> type of loneliness, increased solitude, paradoxically, is often the way to escape it.
Regardsyjcover 6 years ago
I crave solitude yet I still feel lonely, like I&#x27;m missing a tribe. I haven&#x27;t had a chance to be alone by myself for more than an hour for the last few months since I moved in with my boyfriend.<p>I went from lonely entrepreneur to my social bar overflowing into the red zone, where any additional social obligation is a sacrifice of me time. I love my partner, he is the best person ever, but he can&#x27;t be everything, like sharing my passion about period poverty as much as I can hahaha. I have a loving tribe of wonderful partner, family, and friends but I&#x27;m still searching for weirdos like me, entrepreneurs that are more interested in building sustainable and ethical business practices than making money. In that sense, I crave solitude but I still feel lonely, like I&#x27;m missing out on very meaningful relationships with people with similar goals and passions.
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tunapover 6 years ago
<i>All of humanity&#x27;s problems stem from man&#x27;s inability to sit quietly in a room alone.</i><p>Blaise Pascal
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creepover 6 years ago
&gt;We can’t simply be. We feel compelled to always do.<p>&gt;We can’t allow ourselves a moment of self-inflicted boredom.<p>&gt;We’re scared of where this boredom will take us.<p>&gt;Of what we will hear in our heads if we lapse into true silence: hopes, dreams, shame, embarrassment… Fear of failure.<p>&gt;We want to be entertained, constantly. The alternative — introspection — intimidates us.<p>I don&#x27;t know about this one. I&#x27;m sure it&#x27;s different for everyone, but boredom to me comes from &quot;being entertained&quot;. My inspiration to &quot;do&quot; rather than to &quot;be&quot; comes from introspection. I&#x27;m rarely satisfied unless I&#x27;m learning about something or contributing to something-- and usually I like to do this alone, because I know what I like to learn and contribute and only I can do that best. Everything goes wrong when I seek out entertainment, so I usually don&#x27;t.<p>These lines are kind of patronizing, or feel that way. Not everyone seeks out online psuedo-connection because they&#x27;re afraid of being alone; some of us, most of us, have an idea of our direction in life, know what we&#x27;re doing and why.<p>Maybe the article is a message to those who actually feel lonely. I&#x27;m not sure. But I disagree with a few sentiments.
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tokaiover 6 years ago
I see some of you commenting about being introvert and liking to be alone, but still feeling the sting of loneliness. I just wanted to share an excerpt from the abstract of Robert Burton&#x27;s wonderful Anatomy of Melancholy published in 1621. I think the alternating allure of solitude is at the base of being human.<p><pre><code> Friends and companions get you gone, &#x27;Tis my desire to be alone; Ne&#x27;er well but when my thoughts and I Do domineer in privacy. No Gem, no treasure like to this, &#x27;Tis my delight, my crown, my bliss. All my joys to this are folly, Naught so sweet as melancholy. &#x27;Tis my sole plague to be alone, I am a beast, a monster grown, I will no light nor company, I find it now my misery. The scene is turn&#x27;d, my joys are gone, Fear, discontent, and sorrows come. All my griefs to this are jolly, Naught so fierce as melancholy.</code></pre>
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yawzover 6 years ago
One of the interesting points in the article is: “embrace the boredom”. That’s what I tell my 7-yo repeatedly. Boredom makes you more creative.
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abledonover 6 years ago
saw this video recently by a contemporary indian thinker:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jfwqx7MaPog" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jfwqx7MaPog</a><p>liked its open ended invitation to investigate &#x27;life&#x27; and what it is to be alone in our body.
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moneytideover 6 years ago
I enjoy solitude because I&#x27;ve always had this fear of being a burden to someone else. I take pride in my self sufficiency because of this - I seek to be a provider, not a consumer.<p>Though more recently I&#x27;ve started to see this behavior as a defense mechanism against predatory people. I&#x27;ve been an observer of many dinner table conversations among rent-seeking types, which slowly erodes away my faith in people (the current commander-in-chief of the US is the perfect physical manifestation of this type of thinking - the &quot;I was here first so now I can extract wealth from society&quot; mentality. And it works, because people are eager to pay for luxury real estate)<p>But I digress. And digression is a consequence of solitude since you are not frequently bouncing ideas between other people. It can become a self imposed echo chamber, rationalizing things the way you want without a reality check.<p>As pessimistic as I sound, I know that there are many pure, selfless people in the world. Lots of them have YouTube channels that I&#x27;ll check up on every few weeks. I want to find more of them and shower them with resources.<p>Apologies for the stream of consciousness format. Apparently I&#x27;m leaning more towards loneliness than solitude at the moment, and this article is a prompt to share something outside of my own head.
ppeetteerrover 6 years ago
I feel the article does a poor job of summarizing the problem with loneliness (the diff between a need for socialization and one&#x27;s ability to receive it) and solitude (the act of being alone). We all have a different need for aloneness, our buckets of social contact are of varying depth and, at different times, feel fuller or less full.<p>The best thing to do, IMHO, is to look inside and ask yourself what it is you want to feel less lonely:<p>- Are you feeling lonely because you are escaping a feeling or because you need to connect and you cannot? - Is there something you can do today so your future self is not feeling lonely? - Can you focus on upcoming engagements to feel comfortable being alone today? - Are there people you can text a quick &quot;hi&quot; to fill that sense of longing, even just momentarily? - Are there little pleasures that you&#x27;ve been neglecting that might only be done when you&#x27;re alone?<p>It&#x27;s not simple but the idea of looking inwards is easier than pretending to be a whale. ;)
peterwwillisover 6 years ago
&gt; loneliness is a man-made condition.<p>On the contrary, any social animal can get lonely. There&#x27;s a wide range of behavior in the socialization of animal species. Even slime moulds are highly social. What is considered healthy or helpful social behavior varies, both by species and by groups. Therefore, trying to extrapolate lessons about human social behavior from the frequency of whale calls may not be very useful.<p>Loneliness is an unpleasant experience caused by a biological motivator to seek out social contact. If you&#x27;re a social animal and you don&#x27;t have contact with social animals when you would normally want it, you will feel some form of loneliness. Loneliness is subjective because it is a symptom of a subject&#x27;s need not being fulfilled, and those needs can vary.<p>Solitude is more complex than loneliness. Solitude is the state of being secluded or isolated, and may or may not be chosen. When compared to loneliness, it can be considered a positive, whereas loneliness is a negative.<p>While loneliness is a symptom of a lack of social connection, solitude has a vast array of features. Prolonged solitude can cause mental instability such as hallucination, time distortion, psychosis, and other negative physiological reactions. But solitude can also enhance self-esteem and creativity and be personally gratifying.<p>&quot;How to be <i>satisfied</i> with being alone&quot; could be more simply described as the ability to understand a particular need and how to deal with it. You may not be able to eliminate the need, because you don&#x27;t necessarily have full control over the thoughts in your head, nor your situation. Mental illness and physical isolation, for example, can prevent you from eliminating the need for social connection. A child, adolescent, or teen also doesn&#x27;t have much agency, and can have difficulty managing their thought processes. But an adult with full agency and who is mentally healthy can probably address their symptoms of loneliness.<p>So, how to be alone? I would say, first learn to understand why you are lonely, and whether this need serves a useful purpose. Then, find healthy ways to choose to experience solitude, and make it personally fulfilling. That&#x27;s my take on it, anyway.
Razenganover 6 years ago
Solitude is drifting on the ocean or through space in your ship, putting into ports or landing on planets at your leisure.<p>Loneliness is not knowing anyone who still talks to you after you disembark.
bazooka2thover 6 years ago
&quot;you can be alone, millions of miles away from any human contact, and still feel joyfully connected to the world&quot;<p>I&#x27;d like a citation.
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seltzered_over 6 years ago
“Loneliness epidemic —or a golden age of privacy?” - David Chapman (meaningness) also reflects a bit on this topic<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.twitter.com&#x2F;meaningness&#x2F;status&#x2F;971397606554439681" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.twitter.com&#x2F;meaningness&#x2F;status&#x2F;97139760655443...</a>
blackbrokkoliover 6 years ago
I&#x27;m really surprised of the thread here, considering nothing is faster calling out people overstepping the bounds of their credibility than HackerNews, usually.<p>The author wildly mixes statistic sources with inspirational tinder-quotes, mentions research about that abnormal whale, than boils it down to grandma-psychology and does a general bad job separating &quot;my opinion&quot;, &quot;read somewhere&quot; and &quot;credible source&quot;.<p>In a similar fashion, comments here confusing anecdotes with science and vice versa. Of course loneliness is compared to network-cryptography a wider experienced phenomenon and can be discussed on a personal level <i>if you declare that</i>, but I find it very hard to extract anything of value here...
dopelikeapnpover 6 years ago
Am I pretentious or are 95% of medium posts boring and trite?