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A $1, Linux-Capable, Hand-Solderable Processor

225 pointsby johncoleover 6 years ago

17 comments

jwrover 6 years ago
This makes no sense. (I do electronics)<p>&quot;Hand-solderable&quot;? Every QFN package is hand-solderable, too, using hot air, and is much smaller than the TQFP. And what is the benefit of &quot;hand-soldering&quot; if you still need to use DDR3 DRAM? It won&#x27;t come in TQFP, and for good reasons, and good luck connecting it to that Allwinner CPU.<p>If you want tiny chips that can be hand-soldered, go with microcontrollers (ESP32 or Kinetis), which have everything on-board. You really do not need the overhead, complexity and incidental bugginess of Linux for most things, trust me. Also, choose QFN, not TQFP, use hot-air and have the entire thing soldered in 30 seconds.
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openclover 6 years ago
If you want to hand solder a Linux SoC into a hobbyist project it&#x27;s generally a whole lot easier and cheaper to stick some headers on and piggyback a $5 Pi Zero or similar board.<p>Board layout for one of these things and the associated DRAM etc. is not exactly a trivial task either. I really don&#x27;t think that the sort of person who can&#x27;t be bothered to set up a toaster oven for reflow soldering is going to be able to make a functioning board using this chip.
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Darkstackover 6 years ago
I had to deal with theses processors this weekend (Allwinner H3) for a side project (Pandora Box5 Jamma, an arcade system), the documentation is awful, i was unable to find the &quot;real&quot; SDK, the boot0 is a proprietary blob, but i found this awesome project <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org</a> if you want to work with these kinds of processors.
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blattimwindover 6 years ago
&gt; The chip in question, the Allwinner A13, is a 1GHz ARM Cortex-A8 processor. While it’s not much<p>When did 1 GHz cores become &quot;not much&quot; for small embedded systems?
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wycxover 6 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org&#x2F;Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org&#x2F;Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matri...</a>
learc83over 6 years ago
What is with the obsession with hand soldering everything? I did all of the pre-production prototyping for a startup several years ago using low temp solder paste, laser cut stencils, and a hotplate.<p>It was way easier than trying to solder everything by hand. I started out only using the hotplate for the stuff I couldn&#x27;t get in a through-hole package, but I eventually moved almost everything over to SMD.
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bri3dover 6 years ago
From the comments, a complete hand assembly system using a similar chip with onboard RAM (allwinner v3s): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;petit-miner&#x2F;Blueberry-PI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;petit-miner&#x2F;Blueberry-PI</a>
MisterTeaover 6 years ago
Good luck hand soldering the BGA memory which is the only package you&#x27;re going to find DDR2&#x2F;3 in.
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_p2riover 6 years ago
We&#x27;re in an amazing technical availability era. For the nearly same price and form-factor size you can either have a 4 MHz low-power microcontroller working in your custom TV remote controller or a (headless) machine capable of running RetroPie and C-64 games.<p>And the part that stands out to me is the draw toward the obvious path of least resistance. Why program any of that in assembly, when you can put together a few bash scripts with LIRC?
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megousover 6 years ago
&gt; it should be noted that like all of these random Linux-capable SoCs, the software is a mess<p>Such nonsense. A13 is almost fully supported in the mainline kernel.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org&#x2F;Linux_mainlining_effort" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org&#x2F;Linux_mainlining_effort</a><p>And datasheets are available:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org&#x2F;A13" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux-sunxi.org&#x2F;A13</a><p>So I&#x27;m not sure what the author is missing.
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aequitasover 6 years ago
&quot;There is no HDMI support, you’ll need to add some more chips (that are probably in a BGA package), but, hey, it’s only a dollar.&quot;<p>And a power supply, IO, RAM, ROM, board, etc. The BOM quickly adds up.<p>I don&#x27;t know what the price of the RPi CPU is, but my guess is it&#x27;s not far off $1 in bulk.
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baybal2over 6 years ago
That&#x27;s Allwinner a13<p>The catch: memory is still BGA, you will save more if you go for slightly more expensive SiPs
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creebleover 6 years ago
I think this is roughly the chip in CHIP, from Nextthing Co; I&#x27;ve got a few floating around my desk. I think the Pi Zero killed their party, haven&#x27;t looked them up in a while.<p>But I have a CHIP at a location running autossh for a permanent tunnel into that network...
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MrEfficiencyover 6 years ago
Can anyone explain a real world use?(even a DIY use)<p>What would you use Linux for when embedded systems usually are written in mostly C.<p>Easier libraries and access to web? I cant quite understand how this can be used.
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sitkackover 6 years ago
It isn&#x27;t anywhere close in perf but the i.MX23 is also in a 128 pin LQFP package.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digikey.com&#x2F;product-detail&#x2F;en&#x2F;nxp-usa-inc&#x2F;MCIMX233DAG4C&#x2F;MCIMX233DAG4C-ND&#x2F;2660586" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digikey.com&#x2F;product-detail&#x2F;en&#x2F;nxp-usa-inc&#x2F;MCIMX2...</a>
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nutjob2over 6 years ago
&quot;Hand solderable&quot; is a relative term. BGAs are often easier than soldering TQFPs.
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Animatsover 6 years ago
Yes, the Allwinner A13, inside many low-end tablets. Tablets around $50 from two years ago probably had an A13 inside.