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Housing bubbles are universally destructive

117 pointsby Zweihanderover 6 years ago

7 comments

zimablueover 6 years ago
There&#x27;s a kind of interesting way to think about this, especially in the UK. Because people don&#x27;t automatically think in terms of opportunity cost and don&#x27;t know eg. that the long term equity return is X, there&#x27;s a disconnect between reality and how people think of it. People in the UK think of rent as &quot;wasted&quot; money. In an efficient market, it wouldn&#x27;t be wasted at all because the saving from lower rent vs mortgage could be put into eg. equity&#x2F;bonds. Someone will reply that there is no saving but that itself is a symptom of the way we run housing.<p>But because people think that, and think that no-one would ever want to rent, we tolerate super weird policies like a residency house being exempt from capital gains tax, poor protection for renters, government tax transfers (in the UK they will literally give you money to buy your first house, the government is so committed to the your-house-is-your-bank philosophy). All these distortions then actually CREATE the conditions which mean that you&#x27;re consistently losing money if you rent, because the government is effectively taxing you much more.<p>So our misunderstanding of economics creates an economic system which conforms to our mistaken beliefs, it&#x27;s kind of amazing.
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msvanover 6 years ago
It is true that housing prices in urban areas have risen astronomically in many regions of the world, and while we may well see a correction, I wonder if these these areas have simply become way more valuable than they used to be.<p>People thought that the internet would make location irrelevant, but it seems that the opposite has happened. I can think of many armchair theories as to why, but it&#x27;s not a simple question to answer.
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dgudkovover 6 years ago
He is talking about inflation as a way to resolve it, but my personal (and totally unscientific) pet theory is that inflation is already here. The prices are so high not because the real estate is expensive, but because the intrinsic value of money is declining. How come elevated inflation is not reflected in official stats? The problem with counting inflation is that it doesn&#x27;t account for the loss of quality which is happening in all areas except high-technology products. E.g. while the price (in real money) for a burger in McDonalds can be more or less the same as in the 90s or 60s, the quality went down due to excessive use of herbicides and drugs in farming.<p>No wonder many people get debts because it&#x27;s the right strategy when money are losing value. If the <i>real</i> inflation is say 5%, then getting a mortgage at 3.5% earns you 1.5% a year. No wonder stock indexes are record high nowadays -- it&#x27;s not because businesses excel more than ever, it&#x27;s because the dollar is worth less.
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CPAhemover 6 years ago
Real estate bubbles rarely burst unless there is accompanying unemployment. The reason is psychological, people hate realizing a loss.<p>Another practical reason is that if borrow $1 million for a house, and it is now worth $800,000 you just keep paying off the mortgage and hope prices go up again. Selling it would require you pay in some cash to pay off the loan. All this is provided you keep you job and can afford the loan.
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randomdataover 6 years ago
As a resident of a more rural area that has seen a complete economic turnaround in the last few years, which seems to be attributable to people leaving the big city to find more affordable ground, the big city housing bubble is the best thing that has ever happened. It may be destructive at a local level, but I&#x27;m not sure it is universally so.
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lewis500over 6 years ago
This whole piece makes me ask what a bubble really means. The author admits to having been wrong about housing prices since 2000. But that’s okay because bubbles can, apparently, last decades. If a bubble can last a very long, but totally indeterminant amount of time, does it have any reality?
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purplezooeyover 6 years ago
It&#x27;s no bubble now because we don&#x27;t build nearly enough in these areas. We need some kind of big federal or state project where lots of people get bought out to leave, or moved via eminent domain, and higher density built.
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