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EU drops rule that would prevent self-driving car data from being copyrighted

224 pointsby lnguyenover 6 years ago

17 comments

mrmondoover 6 years ago
IMO the title is a little misleading - I read &#x27;EU drops rule&#x27; as that the EU had removed a rule &#x2F; cancelled it.<p>Should probably be something like &quot;EU states that telemetry data collected from self-driving cars may be subject to copyright protection&quot;.<p>Then the bigger discussion should probably be - &#x27;What is telemetry data?&#x27;.<p>If telemetry data is _any_ data collected from a car that could be remotely accessed, then in theory I&#x27;d argue that digital oil sensor readings, digital odometer readings and digital tyre pressure readings are all telemetry data if they are stored in a place that can be remotely read.<p>If that&#x27;s the case - it could lead to the situation where car manufacturers demand (by law) that you are only allowed to service your car with them and not be a mechanic of your choice.<p>That may start as a small inconvenience that luxury car owners may be able to afford but as those features come to lower end models it may hurt average or less well off consumers.<p>Further more, what happened to &#x27;facts&#x27; not being copyrightable (generally speaking).
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Hermelover 6 years ago
The title is very misleading. The parliament just voted to not include a clause that would have explicitely made that data not copyrightable. Unfortunately, the article does not tell us why this clause was removed. Maybe it was just removed because it is unnecessary?
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llampxover 6 years ago
Where did this People&#x27;s Party comes from? Sounds very newspeak-ish, considering they only push through legislation benefitting large corporates.
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ameliusover 6 years ago
Related: Can we have a rule that crowdsourced data is public domain?<p>E.g.: Amazon reviews, IMDb reviews and data, YouTube videos, etc. Most of this data belongs to our culture.
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Nasrudithover 6 years ago
This is a bit radical but here is a question - what is the public interest that copyrighting this data serves whatsoever - regardless of who it belongs to?
pavlovover 6 years ago
Not surprising considering the lobbying power of German car companies who are investing in this field.
ucaetanoover 6 years ago
Isn&#x27;t all telemetry data currently copyrighted? Streetview? Pictures of a street? Satellite images?<p>Why would it be public domain?<p>Honest question, I&#x27;m not understanding how telemetry data is different than airborne laser scanner data, Streetview, map data, satellite pictures, etc.<p>Or even server logs generated by an iPhone for Apple, Tesla&#x27;s car data logs, etc.
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nooberminover 6 years ago
Ain&#x27;t it great that it&#x27;s the same group that pushed the copyright directive. It&#x27;s funny when the same actors end up being the bad guys.
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Havocover 6 years ago
Copyright on telemetry seems pretty stupid in the first place.
hyperman1over 6 years ago
This seems to open a big can of worms: If it can be copyrighted, it has an author. So who is it?<p>* Is the driver the author of this data? If yes, does the car company need to get a license to fetch this data or are they pirates? Is the driver permitted to exercises authorship rights like distribution? Why not?<p>* Or is the car&#x27;s creator author? Then the driver had no influence on the creation of the data, so can&#x27;t be responsible for anything: His actions had no consequences.<p>* Or are both parties co authors? Then you need agreement from every author before you can do anything. This causes both problems at the top at the same time.
deytempoover 6 years ago
I mean why wouldn’t you want a random video to pop up on mobile when you try to view their site?
kevin_thibedeauover 6 years ago
That&#x27;s fine. Of course such data would be owned by the vehicle&#x27;s owner.
chootover 6 years ago
I wonder how this will help EU people.<p>This decision doesn&#x27;t seem pro consumer.<p>Maybe automakers control EU and it&#x27;s a way to secure their future cash cow.
nouveau0over 6 years ago
Nice work with the title OP
torgianover 6 years ago
This is why I’ll stick to old cars for as long as possible
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dangover 6 years ago
Url changed from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jalopnik.com&#x2F;eu-rules-that-any-data-your-autonomous-car-generates-is-1829666845" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jalopnik.com&#x2F;eu-rules-that-any-data-your-autonomous-...</a>, which points to this.
drivingmenutsover 6 years ago
I&#x27;m going to go out on a limb and suggest very few people will own an autonomous vehicle and will probably rent&#x2F;lease them instead, which solves the problem neatly, if it happens.<p>If you don&#x27;t actually own the thing, then it&#x27;s harder to claim the data is yours.
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