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Ask HN: How does unlimited PTO work out in practice?

3 pointsby gangster_daveover 6 years ago
Many tech companies offer unlimited PTO as a benefit these days. However, there are rumors that this ends up working out worse than standard PTO since there's guilt with taking too much time off.

7 comments

IpV8over 6 years ago
If I were in the situation of unlimited PTO I'd probably track myself and take 5 weeks a year, just so that I can keep the guilt out of my conscious. I'd probably make that clear to my manager as well and put it on him/her to let me know if there are any problems.
ossm1dbover 6 years ago
I guess I should consider myself very fortunate. It works out very well for me. I&#x27;ve worked under an unlimited PTO policy for several years now (at two different companies).<p>It does not &quot;depend on management approval.&quot; Approval for time off is automatic; it is only necessary to coordinate with your supervisor and&#x2F;or team to make sure tasks can be handled by coworkers in your absence. Vacations were typically one to three weeks, sometimes longer for international travel or special situations.<p>There is no &quot;pressure to keep the PTO profile low&quot; or limit the amount of time. It isn&#x27;t even tracked.<p>It&#x27;s not a &quot;loss of a benefit.&quot; I&#x27;ve been able to use more time off than before, even with the most generous PTO benefits at prior organizations.
IvyMikeover 6 years ago
It&#x27;s a terrible policy, and unfair across the company as it depends on local manager approval. Have a workaholic manager? Enjoy getting less vacation approved than your peers.<p>Keep track of it yourself in a spreadsheet.<p>Don&#x27;t go under your previous amount (make sure you&#x27;re still getting your three weeks per year, or whatever), but don&#x27;t go too far over unless you&#x27;re really confident.<p>Don&#x27;t &quot;bank up&quot; too much virtual time. Like don&#x27;t say &quot;I&#x27;m going to take no time this year and then a whole month next June&quot;. Because if you&#x27;re fired&#x2F;leave in May, you get nothing.<p>Evil Life Pro Tip: If you&#x27;re going to quit soon, and you want to milk the system? Feel free to take as much as you want.
eyer2016over 6 years ago
From an employer&#x27;s perspective, they don&#x27;t owe you anything. This is a good thing for them, because when your company gets acquired by another company which has different policies than your company, they won&#x27;t owe you a dime. While, if your company has a policy of 20 days off and your company got acquired, they owe you $$ amounting to the PTO days you haven&#x27;t used up.<p>Source: happened in my previous company but the acquisition happened right after my 8 week vacation, so I didn&#x27;t get any $$.<p>Having said that, I also was very lucky to have a good manager who really didn&#x27;t mind how much vacation I was taking as long as the work was getting done.
mancerayderover 6 years ago
Guilt, or pressure come bonus time to keep the PTO profile low so it shows (what some cynical management teams call) &quot;passion&quot;?
tardigrasover 6 years ago
I find myself taking a lot more one-offs than I did before. Previously, when I would bank PTO, I would avoid taking a day off to do something around the house or play a new video game that came out. Now, I don&#x27;t worry about it as much and take the time, which I think is the point of having PTO anyway.<p>I have probably taken 4 weeks off total in the past year.
pinewurstover 6 years ago
Don&#x27;t ever forget that this isn&#x27;t a benefit, it&#x27;s the loss of a benefit. Let&#x27;s say you don&#x27;t take vacation out of guilt or events - under the traditional regime, you&#x27;d at least get the hours as accumulated salary. Not any more.