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The poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker

651 pointsby isomorphover 6 years ago

22 comments

docbrownover 6 years ago
Reading through the poems, one in particular stood out to me, ‘A screw Fell to the Ground.’ While it was done eight months before his suicide, the context seems to be relatable to how he may have been feeling—mostly the sound of “someone” plunging and nobody hearing.<p>—<p>《一颗螺丝掉在地上》 &quot;A Screw Fell to the Ground&quot;<p>一颗螺丝掉在地上 A screw fell to the ground<p>在这个加班的夜晚 In this dark night of overtime<p>垂直降落,轻轻一响 Plunging vertically, lightly clinking<p>不会引起任何人的注意 It won’t attract anyone’s attention<p>就像在此之前 Just like last time<p>某个相同的夜晚 On a night like this<p>有个人掉在地上 When someone plunged to the ground<p>-- 9 January 2014
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skizmover 6 years ago
According to some initial Googling, it looks like Foxconn had one year where 14 people committed suicide out of nearly one million workers (2010, their worst year for suicides). The general suicide rate in China is about 22 in 100,000. Seems like the Foxconn suicide rate is significantly lower, right? Or am I looking at the numbers wrong?
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sleazy_bover 6 years ago
These are some remarkable poems. I feel lucky that someone took the time to translate and share these poems on the internet where they can find a wider audience.
baybal2over 6 years ago
What can I tell as an industry insider.<p>Foxconn was known for giving above market range remuneration, and in addition was very welcoming to &quot;party crashers.&quot; Not only they gave high salaries, but also liveable dorms, on-site catering, campus hospital and etc. And they were eager to hire everybody who came to their doorsteps without ever asking for guy&#x27;s papers (In China, your resume is an official document.)<p>Downside: zero progression beyond a team lead after few years, unless the worker would have be super duper lucky to be selected for training in on-site college.<p>Foxconn fortunes turned south few years ago, when it became obvious that domestic companies surpassed them on salary scale. A salary for a machinist with 5 years experience begins at net 10000 CNY a month, and 15k is closer to the median. Foxconn would&#x27;ve never ever gave anybody on the production line 10k a month.<p>Foxconn is now the &quot;rubber sandals factory&quot; of the electronics world — they can&#x27;t move up the value chain because anybody with brains run away from them the moment they save enough cash to move up.
jrowleyover 6 years ago
I hope this makes people reconsider if they really need a new laptop, iphone, etc. I think a lot of people would pay twice as much for their devices if they could guarantee the workers weren&#x27;t being exploited.
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abvdaskerover 6 years ago
These poems are heartbreaking to read. It seems to expose something fundamental about the working conditions for so many Chinese laborers. The science-fiction reader in me can&#x27;t help but feel like these poems represent a certain kind of dystopia realized.
paganelover 6 years ago
In a similar vein there’s also this book called “An Anthology of Chartist Poetry: Poetry of the British Working Class, 1830s-1850s” whose title says it all. It can be read online through Google Books at this link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.ro&#x2F;books&#x2F;about&#x2F;An_Anthology_of_Chartist_Poetry.html?id=hl_Ta-bYMOkC&amp;redir_esc=y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.ro&#x2F;books&#x2F;about&#x2F;An_Anthology_of_Chartist...</a>
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MichaelMoser123over 6 years ago
But other companies can build their phones without such appalling working conditions? Don&#x27;t they?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2017&#x2F;jun&#x2F;18&#x2F;foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2017&#x2F;jun&#x2F;18&#x2F;foxconn-l...</a>
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typonover 6 years ago
This has depressed me...not just because of this guy&#x27;s brilliant poems and the potential within, but because there doesn&#x27;t seem to be an end in sight for any of this suffering.<p>Even if you don&#x27;t personally buy laptops or phones, companies like Google&#x2F;Amazon etc. are buying them on your behalf to put in the &quot;cloud&quot;. There&#x27;s really not much average people can do to stop this.
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adamnemecekover 6 years ago
China is definitely extreme but you don&#x27;t have to go too far to see overworked people, it&#x27;s much more common in the US than people realize. Everyone is overworked. I think that Starbucks got popular partially due to this.
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tianmingwuover 6 years ago
I think one lesson that be learnt from this sad story is that when you feel you are trapped in a depressing job or place, think of change, take the courage to pack up and leave for a new job or place. Don&#x27;t be passive and endure the same depression over and over.
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alexSover 6 years ago
A competing factory is using really hardcore AI to coerce people to do this kind of thing. Some people can see through worlds. I spotted this as soon as this made the front-page.
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z2over 6 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8561326" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8561326</a><p>Similar discussion from about 2 years earlier. I think that we react and reflect similarly is a good thing, though I&#x27;ve no clue how conditions changed overall in this time.
golergkaover 6 years ago
Foxconn employs almost a million people. When you compare the rate of suicides among it&#x27;s employees to rate of suicide in China as a whole, there&#x27;s no significant difference: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Foxconn_suicides#Analysis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Foxconn_suicides#Analysis</a><p>May be this statistic is forged somehow, of course - but all the media pieces I read about Foxconn suicides don&#x27;t even try to gather up meaningful analysis, blaming all suicides on the company instead.
ryanmercerover 6 years ago
This adequately describes my life and job, except I stare at invoices all day entering similar information day in, day out, submittimg electronic data to a handful of government agencies for twelve and a half years now. I&#x27;m basically a piece of OCR software that&#x27;s told to sit there, be quiet, be perfect, if you call in sick we&#x27;re holding it against you, no you can&#x27;t take time off that month is blacked out, no you don&#x27;t need a cost of living raise, produce produce produce! I&#x27;ll regularly just zone out for who knows how long, usually snapping back to the world when my head starts to dip or my eyes go unfocused enough to start to cause discomfort. Realizing, this is my &#x27;life&#x27; and likely will be until I die.<p>--<p>《我就那样站着入睡》 &quot;I Fall Asleep, Just Standing Like That&quot;<p>and<p>&quot;My Life’s Journey is Still Far from Complete&quot;<p>hit way too close to home. You&#x27;d think my life would be drastically different in midwest America. I&#x27;m not standing at an assembly line, I didn&#x27;t have to leave my home town to go far away to a factory, but I really am expected to be more machine than man. I&#x27;m expected to sit at a desk, not talk, limit my trips to the bathroom, limit getting up with the exception of the 2 daily parades of 2 laps around the office that are done as a group, if you&#x27;re sick you&#x27;re expected to be at work unless dying although every cold and flu season corporate stressed &quot;if you&#x27;re sick stay home&quot; ha! Everything is about efficiency and production, merit-based increases rarely cover cost of living increases, I get 5 weeks of vacation a year but blocks of time get blacked out and we work any holiday that&#x27;s on a weekday while local management (and most definitely corporate) is at home with their families.<p>I saw Office Space in theaters when I was 14. I thought it was satire. Oh how wrong I was. It is life. Actually, it&#x27;s better than life.<p>While I enjoy the luxuries of sitting and, sometimes working HVAC (it was in the 80&#x27;s in my office most of the summer), I do highly repetitive work that is effectively data entry that in 5, 10, 15 years OCR software will do the bulk of. Want to advance? Well, you better have a 4-6 year degree and be willing to move to other states multiple times to earn an extra 10-20%. Want to get sick? Do it on your own time. Want to take a vacation with your family? Ehhhh we&#x27;ll see but don&#x27;t count on it. Want to enjoy a holiday away from work? Hahahaha better be one of the few people that get drawn to have it off. Want a raise? Ok you can have a merit based increase once a year, if you were sick you get less, if you made a few errors each month while trying to make unrealistic production standards you get less, weren&#x27;t cheerful enough based on your manager&#x27;s arbitrary determination you get a little less...<p>I come on sites like HN, Reddit, even Facebook. I hear people talk about their jobs. I hear people bitch that the company retreat wasn&#x27;t at some place cool this year, I hear people complain they only get 2 months of maternity&#x2F;paternity leave, I hear them whine how oh boo hoo they have to work 4 more years at their job to be able to be FIRE (ha, I will have to work until the day I die, cry me a river), I hear that tens of thousands had the luxury of walking out of work to protest sexual harassment policy when I can&#x27;t call in without a doctor&#x27;s note or it counts against me and even with a doctor&#x27;s note I know it&#x27;s going to shave several tenths of a percent off of my MAYBE 2.6% merit-based increase on my annual review.<p>Damn Foxconn employees, I feel you. Oh how I feel you.
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factsaresacredover 6 years ago
I have like 30 tabs open from things I promised I&#x27;d return and read (until an accidental closing of the browser saves me from these obligations). But as I began to read through this, I could not stop.<p>Xu&#x27;s poems are remarkable. A creative soul trapped inside, and eventually swallowed by, the meaningless pit of capitalism.<p>我被它们治得服服贴贴 They&#x27;ve trained me to become docile<p>我不会呐喊,不会反抗 Don&#x27;t know how to shout or rebel<p>不会控诉,不会埋怨 How to complain or denounce<p>只默默地承受着疲惫 Only how to silently suffer exhaustion<p>While being a peasant is in no way desirable, at least you don&#x27;t have to sell your soul pretending that a life spent serving a gigantic corporation in return for scraps is desirable.<p>Most work is simply absurd - a place of drudgery and despair. We can say that while still accepting that it beats poverty.
hi41over 6 years ago
The poetry is so beautiful. One day I was in a park and stopped at a spot that had so many trees and the sunlight was streaking through the leaves and the tree branches. It was extremely beautiful. I felt a strong urge to hug the tree and weep. I left all this for a life in a gray cubicle and the human ant hill.
0x262dover 6 years ago
this sort of suffering is unfortunately necessary and endemic to capitalism, conscientious consumerism or not. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Marxism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Marxism</a>
peterburkimsherover 6 years ago
I &quot;worked&quot; at the Xingda Hongye PCB factory in Zhongshan for a month. They let me stay in the factory dormitory and eat in the cafeteria for free, but didn&#x27;t pay me.<p>It was good! Afterwards I got a job in Shenzhen that paid, so I moved. But the Xingda workers were from all over China, each with fascinating stories, and very happy to meet a foreigner.<p>I wish I could go back there now. I just finished 4 years working at a microSD card company in Taiwan. I&#x27;ve been trying to find a job since March; unemployed since August. I&#x27;ve given up on my dreams, and I&#x27;ll take anything. I don&#x27;t even know how to apply for jobs now. The only two interviews I had were from people who already worked in the company telling their HR to talk to me. Recruiters are ignoring me. Prayer hasn&#x27;t worked. Sharing side projects on HN hasn&#x27;t worked. Please tell me the email address of someone who can give me food and shelter.
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asianthrowawayover 6 years ago
&gt; We hope that in the future, workers in Foxconn and elsewhere manage to find ways around such companies&#x27; military-style discipline and surveillance, come together, and forge collective paths out of this capitalist world of death, into a world worth living in.<p>Are they aware that China is a communist country?
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almostdeadguyover 6 years ago
Shocked, but pleasantly so to see this on HN.
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matreyesover 6 years ago
Dear Apple or like,<p>Please commemorate the life and death of this workers on your products, advertising and software. This could, maybe, change our reasoning about the supply chain.