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A Mystery Font That Took Over New York

224 pointsby asnyderover 6 years ago

20 comments

kazinatorover 6 years ago
Almost all the shops in the sign photos are Asian. Because the font simulates brush strokes, it adds an Asian element, since Western writing doesn&#x27;t use brush strokes.<p>Brushes may be used in painting letters onto a sign, but only as a tool to fill an area, whereby brush marks are regarded as artifacts to be avoided.<p>The font doesn&#x27;t look quirky to someone whose native writing system&#x27;s canonical form is rooted brush strokes.<p>Basically this remark in the article nails it:<p>&gt; <i>This could have to do with what Choc evokes. For some it bears a resemblance to the calligraphic forms of Asian writing systems.</i><p>But then:<p>&gt; <i>However, it’s disputed as to whether Choc was a direct homage to these styles. According to Ms. Chamaret, José Mendoza, Excoffon’s assistant at the time of Choc’s production, said that the letterforms were drawn in outlines. “Never with a brush!” she said.</i><p>That hardly counts as an effective dispute. Obviously, the font painstakingly captures the appearance of brush strokes in exactly the same manner that Asian fontographers do in certain fonts. They also don&#x27;t use brushes, but rather vector graphics: precisely specified outlines or strokes.<p>Choc is undeniably Asian influenced. Look at the C in Choc; it starts with a little right tick and then reverses. The roman letter C doesn&#x27;t have anything like that; this is reminiscent of the top stroke in the Japanese こ (ko).
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vanderZwanover 6 years ago
&gt; <i>“There’s an unmistakable energy in all the designs that [Roger Excoffon] does,” said Tobias Frere-Jones, a Brooklyn-based typeface designer. “They project their personality so clearly. And it’s very obviously not Helvetica or not Times or any other generic thing that might be on the awning next door.” Excoffon’s most popular typeface is probably Mistral, which was modeled after his own handwriting.</i><p>Both this passage and Exofon&#x27;s fonts remind me of Henry van der Horst, a Dutch graphic designer who basically has a monopoly on Dutch market signs. His work has become so ubiquitous that a market stall without it feels less &quot;authentic&quot;, so there is a lot of demand for his work.<p>It&#x27;s crazy: <i>everyone</i> here knows his handwriting, without knowing it was one man doing all of those signs for decades, and when I say &quot;all those signs&quot; I mean that at a national level (altough the Netherlands is small of course). He&#x27;s like a weird kind of anonymous household name (&quot;anonyfamous?&quot;). Well, until a newspaper wrote an article about him down a few years ago, that is.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.willemverweijen.nl&#x2F;henry-van-de-horst&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.willemverweijen.nl&#x2F;henry-van-de-horst&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.volkskrant.nl&#x2F;mensen&#x2F;-op-de-markt-doet-niemand-aan-jargon-~bc16a6f6&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.volkskrant.nl&#x2F;mensen&#x2F;-op-de-markt-doet-niemand-a...</a>
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needle0over 6 years ago
Ironically, come over to Japan and you will hardly see a single sign typeset in Choc, or any of the popular wonton fonts[1], anywhere. This is despite the fact Latin text is very commonly used in JP storefronts as decorative elements. The collective impressions around those fonts represent a westerner&#x27;s orientalist stereotype of the East, not of the <i>actual</i> East. To an Asian native, it comes off as cheesy as hell.<p>I usually find most complaints of cultural appropriation frivolous; go ahead and dress up as ninjas or wear kimonos all you like, we don&#x27;t care! But this in particular keeps bugging me somewhat, as hardly anyone - even the writer of this article - seems to care about that angle much. Even in the logo for Disney&#x27;s Big Hero 6[2], which I assume was supposed to be Disney&#x27;s love letter to JP pop culture, wonton font influences die hard. (At least they de-wontonned the logo for the Japanese release, retitled as &quot;Baymax.&quot;[3])<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wonton_font" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wonton_font</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vgboxart.com&#x2F;resources&#x2F;logo&#x2F;8390_big-hero-6-prev.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vgboxart.com&#x2F;resources&#x2F;logo&#x2F;8390_big-hero-6-prev.png</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lightweight.tokyo&#x2F;3ds&#x2F;baymax_hero&#x2F;images&#x2F;catch&#x2F;logo.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lightweight.tokyo&#x2F;3ds&#x2F;baymax_hero&#x2F;images&#x2F;catch&#x2F;lo...</a>
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wtian2000over 6 years ago
Interestingly, this hiring ad from the JS console :-)<p>main.js:14 0000000 000 0000000 111111111 11111111100 000 111111111 00000 111111111111111111 00000 000000 000 1111111111111111111111111100000 000 000 1111 1111111111111111100 000 000 11 0 1111111100 000 000 1 00 1 000 000 00 00 1 000 000 000 00000 1 000 00000 0000 00000000 1 00000 11111 000 00 000000 000 11111 00000 0000 000000 00000 00000 000 10000 000000 000 0000 000 00000 000000 1 000 000 000000 10000 1 0 000 000 1000000 00 1 00 000 000 1111111 1 0000 000 000 1111111100 000000 000 0000 111111111111111110000000 0000 111111111 111111111111100000 111111111 0000000 00000000 0000000<p>NYTimes.com: All the code that&#x27;s fit to printf() We&#x27;re hiring: developers.nytimes.com&#x2F;careers<p>update: Those 0s and 1s formed an ascii-art style nytimes logo. The format is messed up.
barbegalover 6 years ago
This font is also known as Staccato 555.<p>It was ripped off by Bitstream and included in the Bitstream TrueType Font Pack for Microsoft Windows 3.1<p>For some information about these fonts see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;groups.google.com&#x2F;forum&#x2F;#!topic&#x2F;comp.fonts&#x2F;y3BOdTKSgc0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;groups.google.com&#x2F;forum&#x2F;#!topic&#x2F;comp.fonts&#x2F;y3BOdTKSg...</a>
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Alex3917over 6 years ago
See also: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wonton_font" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wonton_font</a>
pgtanover 6 years ago
After watching &quot;Stranger Things&quot; with my son, we play now Spot-The-Benguiat-Font everywhere.
smclover 6 years ago
There&#x27;s a font I&#x27;m curious about, I wonder if anyone here knows it. I seem to see all round Czech Republic, I don&#x27;t know the name, but you can see it in the sign for this place (the pic outside - &quot;BUN CA HAI PHONG&quot;): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tripadvisor.cz&#x2F;Restaurant_Review-g274714-d11686718-Reviews-Bistro_Hai_Phong-Brno_South_Moravian_Region_Moravia.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tripadvisor.cz&#x2F;Restaurant_Review-g274714-d116867...</a><p>It&#x27;s used a lot in Vietnamese restaurants but also appears in random businesses (garages, hairdressers). I also saw it a lot when I visited Vietnam - I&#x27;d guess it&#x27;s from there.
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evo_9over 6 years ago
In case anyone wants to see the font in question and&#x2F;or purchase and download a copy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fonts.com&#x2F;font&#x2F;itc&#x2F;choc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fonts.com&#x2F;font&#x2F;itc&#x2F;choc</a>
smacktowardover 6 years ago
<i>Paul Boegemann was trained as one such sign painter — he is the proprietor of Paul Signs Inc., in Greenwood Heights, Brooklyn — and has been in business for over 35 years.</i><p><i>“I learned how to hand letter signs and trucks,” Mr. Boegemann said. “We started with a simple pencil and paper. We designed what we wanted and used the styles we wanted and knew how to apply...”</i><p><i>Asked if he’s ever made a sign in Choc, Mr. Boegemann said: “This style is a ‘Bastard’ letter style.”</i><p>I like this guy :-D
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jejones3141over 6 years ago
Oops... they either let Kumo II slip in or intended it to be there as an example of Mistral, the other font from the designer of Choc, and forgot to point that out.
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ConceptJunkieover 6 years ago
Hey, it&#x27;s better than Papyrus.
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croisillonover 6 years ago
I remember how incredible it was to have so many different fonts in Windows 3.1, Staccato was one of the favorites in my family
andrethegiantover 6 years ago
Oh no... now I will not be able to unsee.
swahover 6 years ago
Hint: its not about Helvetica.
nvr219over 6 years ago
What about Matura
mslaover 6 years ago
An off-brand Comic Sans, then.
ChuckMcMover 6 years ago
Looks like Comic Sans to me :-)
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zadlerover 6 years ago
How is it that in 2018 with all the decentralised technologies that have been created we don’t have a simple way to mirror nytimes articles... perhaps on some kind of “permanent web”?
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bitwizeover 6 years ago
The article misses the obvious: the font resembles Asian brush strokes, and will be especially used for signage on Asian restaurants which are disproportionately represented in the examples.
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