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Ask HN: What is Wealth?

43 pointsby navanitover 14 years ago
"What people want" is a common definition. Are there qualifiers to that we could flesh out? For example should we exclude things that people want simply because they believe others will want them more later (speculation)?

43 comments

edw519over 14 years ago
Health.<p>Years ago, when my father was very sick, I made a stupid remark like, "Maybe you can get some financial benefit from this." He responded, "I'd trade everything to be healthy again."<p>Sometimes it takes extremely trying circumstances to really put things into perspective. Ever since that conversation, I have never looked at the subjects of health, wealth, or happiness in the same way.
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tirrellpover 14 years ago
I have always seen wealth as a function of time and choice.<p>I would echo the sentiments of thibaut_barrere, reasonattlm, and especially bmelton (as it pertains to time and choice).<p>In other words, I would call myself 'wealthy' if I had the opportunity to do what I want when I want to do it. I think in American society when we think of wealth we think of Wall St Bankers with multimillion dollar penthouses in NY, or we think of Ellison and his yachting, but I think we can boil it down to time and choice.<p>Ellison can <i>choose</i> to pursue yacthing as a passion because he is wealthy, and the expense of that hobby is not a determining factor.<p>Gates can choose to spend his energies at philanthropy because the lack of income and time constraints associated with that endeavor are not determining factors.<p>For me, wealth would be 'the ability to follow curiosities and interests, whatever they may be.' If I have a 9-5 job AND trying to get a startup off the ground AND I have a family with young children, I am able to follow some of my passions, but not all of them, because there are large chunks of my time that I dont control.
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thibaut_barrereover 14 years ago
Wealth = how long you could sustain your current lifestyle (same expenses) if your income stopped, today.<p>EDIT: what I like about this definition is that it is not subjective and doesn't imply any need for comparison. As well, it conveys the idea that time and mobility are the new currencies, which I believe.<p>(the definition I use; read it in a french book by Olivier Seban)
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bmeltonover 14 years ago
Carving pumpkins with my daughter.<p>Taking my family to the Renaissance Festival and not having to worry about the cost of a Henna tattoo, or the cost of an elephant ride.<p>Time to sit down and play with the inner workings of celery, RabbitMQ, and just how exactly am I going to be able to leverage the subtask module for some high-latency network operations.<p>Vacations across the country, with the ability to go to Long Beach's quirky downtown and pick up novelties for my wife without worrying about what else I might be giving up later.<p>Taking my 8 year old daughter to breakfast and discussing how well her steak and eggs were prepared.<p>This isn't much of an answer, but looking over the past few months, these are the main reasons I enjoy making the money I make. The TV in my living room is broken. I'm in no hurry to fix it. I drive a Jeep Wrangler, though I can afford a much nicer car. I don't have to worry about the cost of gas (for now), which means I don't have to live in dirty old DC, and can instead enjoy being by the water in Annapolis.
reasonattlmover 14 years ago
My take:<p><a href="http://www.fightaging.org/archives/2008/02/what-is-wealth.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.fightaging.org/archives/2008/02/what-is-wealth.ph...</a><p>"Wealth is a measure of your ability to do what you would like to do, when you would like to do it - a measure of your breadth of immediately available choice."
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neilkover 14 years ago
Why do you want to narrow the definition? What about it isn't working for you?<p>I'm going to guess that you intuitively feel that there is "good" wealth, like a bicycle repair shop, and "bad", like speculating on housing prices.<p>The problem is that, at any given moment, you can't tell between the two -- they're both useful, and both have their places, and in some circumstances both are useless and counterproductive to have around.<p>I think the difference happens when you consider how useful they are over time. The bicycle shop is more useful in the set of all possible futures. Is there a word for that?
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endtimeover 14 years ago
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth</a><p>"Wealth is the abundance of valuable resources or material possessions or the control of such assets."
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jaekwonover 14 years ago
In physics, energy is the ability to do work.<p>Wealth is the ability to do what you want to do.<p>I think wealth as money or futures contracts should be qualified as "potential wealth" (as in potential energy).<p>I don't go by definitions that rely on money or definitions that rely on the net worth of individuals. The power of money is not absolute. Net Worth is a false measure in our nonlinear world.<p>"What people want" is only wealth to you if those people have what you want.
dpatruover 14 years ago
Wealth (what people want) can be divided into two subclasses: transferable (money, property, ...) and non-transferable (health, comfort, experiences, memories, fame, power, knowledge, ....) People generally use transferable wealth to gain the non-transferable.<p>People can be classified based on their patience in turning transferable wealth into non-transferable wealth. Wealth accumulators tend to be more patient in trading on transferable wealth than wealth dissipators who tend to immediately convert wealth into non-transferable form.
jacquesmover 14 years ago
Happiness and health for you and those that matter to you.<p>If you don't believe that talk to a billionaire that just lost a loved one to some disease.
AjJiover 14 years ago
Related to your question: <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html</a>
ErrantXover 14 years ago
Wealth is waking up this morning to a beautiful woman bringing me a cup of tea made "just so".<p>Philosophical sure, but wealth is definitely dependant on personal perspective.
burningionover 14 years ago
I have my own personal definition of wealth, which is "net contribution - net consumption". The bigger the gap you can create, the greater the wealth you experience.<p>Lasting wealth can only come from a pattern of giving much more than you take.<p>Simply making a habit of creating and contributing without looking at what you get back is the first step. Then creating the pattern of minimizing your personal needs is second. Managing risks and continuing to value things intelligently comes final.<p>I don't define true wealth as a numerical value. I think merely appreciating any moment in time can create true wealth.<p>However, I think us humans are builders and creators. We like to make new things, and coincidentally, everyone I know who is happy creates things. So no, I don't think you can be static, sitting on a pile of cash doing nothing, and still feel "wealthy".<p>...But I may have something wrong with me. Or I just might not have met that numeral that truly makes me feel wealthy. But then again, I am very skeptical of the power of money to make me feel wealthy. I just like to use it as an (inefficient) measuring stick.
metamemeticsover 14 years ago
Wealth is the ability of an entity to create change.<p>Skills you know, your business network, your emotional support network, assets you can exchange.<p>People with great wealth can affect the world in profoundly positive or negative ways. In other words, wealth is closely tied to the notion of power.<p>A member of congress who has relatively low networth could have as much financial influence as Bill Gates. While this power is not as liquid or easy to exchange as cash, it is still exchangeable and a store of value.<p>[ To directly answer the OP: No we should not exclude speculation, everything is speculation to some small degree. Even holding everything in cash is a speculation on that nation's currency. We'd have to use other measures to estimate expected security\longevity, like liquidity of assets. ]
bearwithclawsover 14 years ago
Wealth is having the freedom to do whatever you want to do.
Loicover 14 years ago
I think you will never have a good definition, because if the answer is "what people want?" everybody want something different.<p>For my personal example, I do not have a lot (but a lot is here subjective) of money, enough to buy what I want (but I am frugal) and this enough for me to not think about money and have freedom of mind to think about my family, my friends and my startup. No million dollars bank account, but wealthy of experience, family with kids and friends (oh, and a lot of books, I love them).
binarymaxover 14 years ago
According to Bucky Fuller, "Real wealth is ideas plus energy"
mark_l_watsonover 14 years ago
Wealth is both having enough to do (mostly) what you want in life and enough to help children and grandchildren if the need occasional help.
bluedevil2kover 14 years ago
Wealth = freedom. Freedom to do what you want, when you want to be happy. For some people, that freedom is the ability to take your kids to/from school every day, coach their sports teams, and go on a yearly vacation. For others, it's to buy expensive cars, live in big houses, and go on crazy trips. Totally different in terms of money, but the same in wealth.
Kaizynover 14 years ago
Wealth is an abstract noun encompassing all of the physical objects that are considered a store of value that one may possess. Of course now that some abstract entities like information or promissory notes also have monetary values attached to them, they too can be considered as wealth.
nandemoover 14 years ago
You cannot exclude things that "people want simply because they believe others will want them more later". Money is one of those things. If an oracle told you the American empire will crumble tomorrow, you'd do well in getting rid of all your US dollars.<p>Speculation is underrated.
jscoreover 14 years ago
Shaquille O'Neill is RICH<p>Guy signing his checks is WEALTHY<p>- Chris Rock
RockyMcNutsover 14 years ago
Ability to pursue higher levels of the Maslow hierarchy without fear for your basic safety and physical needs.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslows_hierarchy_of_needs" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslows_hierarchy_of_needs</a>
flipbradover 14 years ago
for me, wealth is potential for future freedom from constraints on life choices. Money is one format, relationships, friendships and favours owed are another; education also counts, as do health, fitness and certain key possessions (but not so many that dealing with them constrains you; thus actually, very few, and mostly of a tool-like nature). Some of these things are not distinct, exclusive goods, but can be shared or copied amongst large groups. Focusing on doing so without being distracted on needlessly stocking (maximising) the un-shareable (distinct) parts of wealth, is a productive way forward for humanity.
Maroover 14 years ago
In the new Wall Street movie, Gordon Gecko says the most valuable asset is time.
ericlcover 14 years ago
It depends on your circumstances. If you're on your death bed, you want more time. If you are sick, you want health. If you are hungry, you want food.<p>I guess it all boils down to what people want, but it's different for everybody.
kristofferRover 14 years ago
Being rich is having money. Being wealthy is having time. - Margaret Bonnano
noodleover 14 years ago
wealth is the freedom and ability to do what you want with your time.
knownover 14 years ago
Wealth = Money + Power
metachrisover 14 years ago
It strongly depends on the perspective. I think many people would define "wealth" as not having to go to bed hungry and being able to send kids to school.
JonathanWCurdover 14 years ago
The ability to spend time doing what one loves is what I consider the point at which you can say one is truly wealthy.
mkr-hnover 14 years ago
Wealth is reading a thread asking what wealth is and seeing all the interesting variations on the same answer.
rblionover 14 years ago
Wealth is well-being or quality of life. That accounts for your mind, body, and relationships..
lwhiover 14 years ago
Wealth is an abundance of freedoms.
yewweitanover 14 years ago
Wealth is anything and everything that has potential future value.<p>Making wealth is tapping into that value.
makeramenover 14 years ago
I like to think of it as how much you are worth to society (including yourself).
cvgover 14 years ago
Wealth is the future value of resource and human labor inputs that you control.
jamesbhover 14 years ago
When your ability to produce is much greater than your ability to consume.
wanderfulover 14 years ago
The ability to do what you want, when you want to do it.
davidmathersover 14 years ago
utility * scarcity
sabatover 14 years ago
Not having any logical reason to worry about money. Meaning that you have enough money so that should you care to set things up the right way, you'll likely have enough income to live where ever you want for the rest of your life. Happiness and health are another matter, but without money, it's difficult to have either of those things.
unwantedLettersover 14 years ago
This might not exactly answer the question, but it points out an interesting distinction between being rich and being wealthy.<p>Chris Rock on Wealth: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m37JkkGjAY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m37JkkGjAY</a>
noverloopover 14 years ago
The ability to satisfies ones needs.<p>The entire economy is built around providing individual humans with the means to satisfy their needs.