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Editing Babies? We Need to Learn a Lot More First

39 pointsby yesprabhuover 6 years ago

14 comments

winchlingover 6 years ago
<i>&gt;We should not proceed down this road until we know far more about the consequences of what we are doing.</i><p>In the present climate of pessimism it&#x27;s worth reminding ourselves that we <i>never</i> know all the consequences of what we&#x27;re doing. The &#x27;Precautionary Principle&#x27; kills people too; it merely does so in a less obvious way.<p>Personally I think we should be going hell for leather in identifying and eliminating genetic diseases that arise from known mutations. And we should of course expect new problems to arise down the road from these treatments.
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anvandareover 6 years ago
First one to get the (nuclear|genetic|quantum decryptor| ...) superweapon wins. That&#x27;s been always true. Any government who&#x27;s currently protesting and proclaiming they never will partake in it are either (1) idiots or (2) lying.
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refurbover 6 years ago
Derek Lowe has a nice summary of the situation and why it&#x27;s sloppy science.[1]<p><i>Multiple microinjections were needed to try to ensure that the majority of cells in the embryo were indeed affected, He said, and even so neither of the twin girls appears to be a clean job of it. One of them is mosaic for the desired 32-amino acid CCR5 deletion, and the other, if I’m reading this right, is heterozygous for a five amino acid deletion. Wonderful, a complete hack job.</i><p>[1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.sciencemag.org&#x2F;pipeline&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2018&#x2F;11&#x2F;28&#x2F;after-such-knowledge" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.sciencemag.org&#x2F;pipeline&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2018&#x2F;11&#x2F;28&#x2F;aft...</a>
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Symmetryover 6 years ago
I wonder to what extent the existence and use of CRISPR to edit a baby will serve to normalize the relatively less radical practice of IVF embryo selection[1] on a wider range of criteria than we currently accept. That would also open the door to some enhancements. Many traits that parents might care about are deeply polygenetic and not amenable to the sort of editing we can currently perform but could still be selected for in this manner.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Preimplantation_genetic_diagnosis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Preimplantation_genetic_diagno...</a>
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kanzureover 6 years ago
Here&#x27;s a transcript of Jiankui He&#x27;s talk in Hong Kong on his human embryo editing project: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;diyhpl.us&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;transcripts&#x2F;human-genome-editing-summit&#x2F;2018-hong-kong&#x2F;jiankui-he-human-genome-editing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;diyhpl.us&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;transcripts&#x2F;human-genome-editing-summi...</a>
buboardover 6 years ago
For anyone interested , the slides from his presentation are online<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;drive&#x2F;u&#x2F;0&#x2F;folders&#x2F;1T1zLTtHS2z_cgl29fN_7qJg7fLA4qlrd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;drive&#x2F;u&#x2F;0&#x2F;folders&#x2F;1T1zLTtHS2z_cgl29...</a><p>And livestream:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;livestream.com&#x2F;NASEM&#x2F;events&#x2F;8464254&#x2F;videos&#x2F;184103056" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;livestream.com&#x2F;NASEM&#x2F;events&#x2F;8464254&#x2F;videos&#x2F;184103056</a><p>1:17:00
booleandilemmaover 6 years ago
Meanwhile China is actually <i>doing</i> it and soaking up the investor money, interested researchers, and gaining the lead.
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20kleaguesover 6 years ago
Kinda unrelated but I was amazed at the speed with which the webpage loaded. In the age of bloated websites, being able to start reading the content within a second of clicking was refreshing. Kudos to the NYT developers!
nootropicatover 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand the inconsistent morality. I bet the author wants abortions to be legal. If the edited baby turns out to be damaged just abort it, then try again, no big deal.
baybal2over 6 years ago
Human genetic engineering is a great thing! All research to advance it and bring it into practical use should be encouraged.
LeicaLatteover 6 years ago
China and India have much different problems compared to most other countries. There in lies the opportunity too.
paraditedcover 6 years ago
Since we are in the fallout stage now, it is important to note that this news is poorly received within China, with most organizations against it or denying ties with it.<p>I wrote a summary of reactions in China on my blog if anyone is interested (no paywall, no ads): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;paraditedc.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;11&#x2F;26&#x2F;doubts-within-china-on-gene-edited-babies-story&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;paraditedc.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;11&#x2F;26&#x2F;doubts-within-china-on-gen...</a>
hd4over 6 years ago
The Chinese realize what others refuse to, it&#x27;s a race and whoever wins sets the rules. And what would they gain by waiting and losing the first-mover advantage?<p>The article talks about risks, they are certainly not that concerned about risks, not as long as they get the upper hand in biotech and genome manipulation.
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vaultcoolover 6 years ago
How often did Chinese researchers claim to have done something incredible, without proper proof and lack of data, and it turned out to be a total scam? This really feels like another one of these, we&#x27;ll see what happens, but I wouldn&#x27;t hold my breath.
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