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'Talent Wants Transit': Companies Near Transportation Gaining the Upper Hand

328 pointsby bootszover 6 years ago

27 comments

scarejunbaover 6 years ago
I think what’s interesting is that there are people in the Bay who want to live in apartments and take transit to work and there are people who want to live in houses with gardens and stuff. The people in the latter group do not want to allow the people in the former group to have the experience they desire. But that’s because the people in the latter group do not want just to live in houses with gardens. They want to live in houses with gardens where their neighbours also have houses with gardens.<p>So we have these big fights about property rights and whatnot when it’s just that the two aims are incompatible and the latter group wants the status quo (which is necessarily easier to adhere to)
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newfocogiover 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t necessarily think &quot;talent&quot; wants transit. Something that matters to every job seeker is what &quot;home&quot; is going to look like, and being close to transit opens up more types of &quot;home&quot; to choose from. Some talent wants the pace of downtown while others want 4 bedroom houses with yards. Being near transit does a better job of providing both of those to candidates, thereby increasing the talent pool&#x27;s size.
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jarjouraover 6 years ago
I currently live in SF and work in South Bay, but this is probably the last job I&#x27;ll accept down there. Being able to walk to work, or at least jump on a short bus ride to work cannot be understated for quality of life.
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angmarsbaneover 6 years ago
Yes! When the Expo line opened in Los Angeles I restricted my job search to companies accessible via the line.<p>I chose my next job because it was accessible via the Ballona Creek bike path and buses (though the 2 buses made a 20 min drive take an 1hr+).<p>My current job is a shorter bus trip and a shorter bike ride. I&#x27;m not willing to drive 1-2 hrs one-way to work. I want time to be a part of my community, to have hobbies, to do more than drive, eat, sleep, work and to get that time I need a short commute.<p>If a long commute limits my existence to drive, eat, half hour couch potato, and sleep than the job is not worth it.
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squozzerover 6 years ago
For me, transit not so important but a low-hassle commute is. If transit is the only way to achieve that, great.<p>For example - When I first worked at my current job, it was a 45-90 min drive over interstate. A year later, I moved closer and now it&#x27;s a 15-30 min drive over regular streets.<p>Upsides: Lower commuting stress - even when my current drive home looks fubar, I can tolerate it long enough to either get home or find a pub and wait it out over a brew.<p>Downsides: My housing costs tripled.<p>My previous job was a 30-60 min drive, but later took a shuttle bus that had a stop right in front of my job.<p>Upsides: After 30+ years of interstate commuting, taking my hand off the wheel for a couple of years was a godsend.<p>Downsides: The bus stop was basically a street corner with no shade or rain protection, so waiting for the bus on some afternoons was a bit challenging.
btbuildemover 6 years ago
&quot;Talent wants transit&quot; says transit salesman. OK.<p>I don&#x27;t want transit, I want a relatively short commute that doesn&#x27;t kill my soul. Ideally not working from the office all the time, IDEALLY NOT WORKING EVERY DAY.
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dfxm12over 6 years ago
I wonder if talent wants transit specifically, or if they just want an employment situation where they don&#x27;t need to drive their car to work or be limited in where they must live.<p>Telecommuting fits this as well, if the job allows for it.
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rcontiover 6 years ago
The stats are sort of misleading. Of COURSE 97% of people drove to an office park in an Illinois suburb, because that was the only way to get there.<p>OF COURSE almost every commutes to downtown Chicago by transit, because parking costs are insane.<p>I&#x27;m not saying I&#x27;m not pro-transit; I am. Very much so. But these stats don&#x27;t capture how many of the 97% hated commuting by car but had to, and how many of the 90% &quot;non-automobile&quot; commutes are being done by people grudgingly (or AFTER driving a car to a train station, paying for parking, waiting for a train, and wishing they had a nice big free parking lot at their destination).
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baybal2over 6 years ago
I&#x27;m very glad that issues of urban development are now getting more attention on HN.<p>Urban development will be one of the biggest challenges of 21st century.<p>This issue deserves both more money, and talent being directed to solving it.<p>And Californian people, your issues are truly severe. I met Chinese people who ventured to SF and Silicon Valley, and called it an urban hell.
SketchySeaBeastover 6 years ago
I recently moved from a job where it was a half hour car drive home to one that is a 15 minute public transit commute - counting from the &quot;I&#x27;m leaving the office now&quot; text to my wife to unlocking the front door. It&#x27;s been a huge quality of life improvement for me.
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Fejover 6 years ago
As a daily NJ Transit commuter... I&#x27;m very grateful to have easy access to one of the few commuter heavy rail systems in the country. I live in the suburbs and rail is so much nicer (and safer) than driving.
gokover 6 years ago
&quot;half of all newly created jobs are within a half mile of a CTA or Metra rail station&quot;<p>I&#x27;m kind of surprised it&#x27;s only half actually...where is there Chicago office space more than half a mile from a Metra or CTA station?
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jseligerover 6 years ago
This is particularly interesting in light of the way Nashville just rejected transit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citylab.com&#x2F;transportation&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;what-went-wrong-with-nashvilles-transit-plan&#x2F;559436&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citylab.com&#x2F;transportation&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;what-went-wro...</a>
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dsimmsover 6 years ago
I sort of wanted them (NPR) to say &quot;but how can you have a driveway moment on transit?&quot;. Listening to NPR is one of the very few redeeming features of driving to work.
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AlaskaCaseyover 6 years ago
Cities should take this to heart and really invest in creating seamless public transit experiences or they&#x27;ll get left behind in attracting large companies that can bring jobs to their areas.
ReptileManover 6 years ago
Talent doesn&#x27;t want transit. They want minimal commute or to minimally attend office at all.
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skybrianover 6 years ago
Yay transit, but it seems like this trend tends to make housing more expensive as businesses move to the hearts of already-crowded cities and make rents even worse. Wouldn&#x27;t it be better for a company to move its headquarters to a new transit stop that&#x27;s in an outlying area?
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supergeek133over 6 years ago
Is it transportation or just short commute&#x2F;ease of commute?<p>I live in Minneapolis, for awhile I used to work in the southern suburbs. On a good day the drive was 30 minutes during rush hour. On a bad day you were talking 1-2 hours.<p>Now I live 10 minutes from work, and I can&#x27;t imagine doing anything else. Even when I speak to recruiters I increase my salary ask and tell them it&#x27;s for the commute. I get laughed at.<p>Meanwhile I talk to people that live 45-60 minutes away just so they could &quot;get more house for the money&quot; and constantly complain about their time to get to work&#x2F;get home.<p>However, the earlier comment about job density is probably the most relevant thing I haven&#x27;t thought of.
gowldover 6 years ago
This is only news because of the historical anomaly of California (Silicon Valley and Hollywood). Everywhere else, &quot;talent&quot; flocks to big cities with transit (NY, Chicago, Boston, DC, etc in the US; I&#x27;m sure it&#x27;s simila rin other nations), as transit is is part of how a city grows, and population growth is codependent with economic growth and the network effects of &quot;talent&quot; industries that generate wealth.
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ed_ballsover 6 years ago
and companies offering remote job gaining even bigger upper hand.
AngryDataover 6 years ago
Travel time to and from work is unpaid hours required for work. If it takes people 45 minutes to work that is an hour and a half every day that they get nothing for that is not voluntary.
baybal2over 6 years ago
My advise for Californians:<p>1. Densify population centres.<p>2. Rehouse people from single family houses into highrise appartments.<p>3. Improve ground level infrastructure.<p>4. Transition to mixed development policy.<p>5. Abolish zoning in favour of universal sanitary codes.
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pts_over 6 years ago
You know what else talent wants? Work from Home to actually use their talents instead of chit chatting.
meesterdudeover 6 years ago
Transit? Talent wants remote.
pascalxusover 6 years ago
Talent wants to not be homeless. Transportation and housing are thus very much intertwined. Most people would gladly move closer to work, given the opportunity, but it&#x27;s usually just too expensive.
helen___kellerover 6 years ago
&gt;Rail and bus systems around the country have backlogs of repair and maintenance needs in the billions of dollars, and transit advocates say not only is more state and local funding needed for upgrades and to expand transit routes, but a big federal infrastructure investment is needed, too. Without it, they fear the nation&#x27;s economic growth could suffer. But they note such funding may be hard to to get out of a federal administration that seems at times hostile to transit, and instead seems to want to invest more in highways.<p>We have two big crises: people can&#x27;t afford to live near jobs (with insufficient new housing being built in top cities), and transit infrastructure near jobs is crumbling, neglected, or nonexistent, depending on the city.<p>Local municipalities don&#x27;t want to build more housing because, in the grand scheme of things, a single municipality can&#x27;t fix the housing crisis, but allowing new construction in inner-city neighborhoods or low-cost-but-desirably-located towns is a guaranteed path to gentrification, so most choose to opt out. Richer neighborhoods don&#x27;t want new housing because it would damage their picture-perfect neighborhood character, affect their schools and infrastructure, etc. So, neighborhoods near the city stay frozen in place, save a few luxury developments at the prime locations in the city because these developments can bankroll getting past municipal blockades.<p>The federal government can fix both of these by cooperating with states. Offer money earmarked for public transit to states that meet guidelines promoting large-scale (and, hopefully, equitable across rich &amp; poor neighborhoods) upzoning efforts near their job centers. Subsidize transit-friendly dense developments on a large scale, instead of subsidizing suburbs as we have since WWII.<p>The good &amp; bad would probably be:<p>-Good for the environment, as suburban sprawl is greatly damaging to the environment (and necessitates a car-centered lifestyle).<p>-Good for companies that can more easily attract workers to their headquarters in cities.<p>-Good for workers who wanted to live in the city but couldn&#x27;t afford it, or workers who spend a large percentage of their budget on housing because they have a job in the city.<p>-Good for government budget in the long run (probably) because the cost of infrastructure per capita is cheaper in city than in sprawl<p>-Good for the economy in the long run? No one really knows on this one, but I would argue current trends show cities are going to be big on capitalizing on 21st century economic opportunities (hence why companies want to relocate near transit).<p>-Bad for current suburban homeowners, one may expect suburban homes to decrease in price.<p>-Good or bad, depending on location, for current urban property owners. Urban home prices will (by design) go down with this policy thanks to an influx of housing, but landowners may still make a big profit (for example, if you own a single family home or duplex near a transit line, and it gets upzoned, you could sell it at a premium to a developer who wants to build a midrise or highrise on the land. On the other hand if you own a condo in an existing highrise, it will probably go down in value with a glut of new housing on the market)
cromestantover 6 years ago
why not just make work be a state more than a place.... Working from home has so many benefits, including reduction of costs to both employee and employer.