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Why Don’t We Forget How to Ride a Bike?

141 pointsby Deinosover 6 years ago

28 comments

Jetroidover 6 years ago
Anecdotal, but perhaps interesting:<p>I rode a bike every few weeks with my father as a child. When I was 11, I had a pretty serious health condition including paralysis from the waist down. I had to spend several years retraining my muscles to be able to walk and run again.<p>I&#x27;m 22 now, and have just (literally in the past two weeks) started riding a bike again. I wasn&#x27;t particularly confident but I was happily surprised to discover I had no issue just riding. I&#x27;m having trouble with U-turns and signalling, but this feels pretty cool considering that half of my life so far has gone by without riding.
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Frickenover 6 years ago
I was once an avid rock climber, but stopped for many years. One night on a surf trip in Indonesia I had someone hold my beer while I climbed a palm tree, which was only about 15 feet high, but that&#x27;s still high enough that you don&#x27;t want to fall.<p>I got to the top of the trunk and reached up to grab one of the branches, and it was like, &#x27;oh man, I&#x27;m so out of condition, I can barely grip this&#x27;. But then, accidentally, my feet cut loose.<p>A jolt of adrenaline shot through me, and I managed to hold on one handed to this slippery, slopey palm tree branch as my body swung away from the trunk of the tree. This whole chain of muscles from my fingers down to my lower back fired at once. I used to use those muscles all the time when I climbed regularly, but on the tree I didn&#x27;t have access to that strength until the adrenaline kicked in, and then it was all there like it had never left.<p>Of course, because I was out of condition I strained every muscle in that chain and I had to skip a few days of surfing. But it had me thinking about procedural memory, and how it relates to skills where raw strength is a factor. Strength is memory. There is physical conditioning needed to utilize that strength without hurting yourself, but how strong you are is about neural pathways in your muscles, and how they fire, not the muscle itself. Your muscles are actually strong enough to rip the tendons from your bones.<p>Now I&#x27;m back into climbing, but when I was first starting out I had this weird experience where a hold that I was too weak to latch at the beginning of a session became easy by the end. It&#x27;s counterintuitive, if anything you should be getting weaker as you wear yourself out, but, after a decade of not climbing much at all, my finger muscles were remembering how to fire the way they needed to to stick that particular hold, and they got stronger. Now I&#x27;m at the point where my strength has mostly returned, but my tendons aren&#x27;t yet resilient enough to handle the stress when I&#x27;m at my limit, so I&#x27;ve got to be really careful. This was all a big revelation for me.
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FatalLogicover 6 years ago
I&#x27;ll suggest that we don&#x27;t forget to how to ride a bike because a very important part of that skill is confidence and self-belief. It&#x27;s similar to swimming. Does anybody ever forget how to swim?<p>If you don&#x27;t believe you can ride a bike then you&#x27;ll tend to wobble around slowly and cautiously and overcorrect by manual steering. If you don&#x27;t believe you can swim then you&#x27;ll try to constantly hold your face too high above the water and you will struggle because keeping your head high is not an ideal posture for buoyancy and balance.<p>If you believe you can ride a bike then you will set off confidently and move faster, which helps with balance and control.<p>These are examples of abilities in which it&#x27;s easy to get stuck in a local optima which feels safer but is very inefficient, such as cycling with your feet ready to touch the ground or swimming with your head high above the water.<p>This theory, of course, doesn&#x27;t mean the research in the article is wrong, but maybe it&#x27;s just a part of the truth.
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VanillaCafeover 6 years ago
&gt; Years later, when we discover these relics and hop on, it’s as if we never stopped biking.<p>I&#x27;d like to challenge this. Barring scientific evidence to this fact, it is at best an anecdotal evidence, and so I will submit my own anecdote:<p>I didn&#x27;t ride a bike for about 10 years. When I started riding again, I definitely felt unsteady for the first few days or weeks compared to my previous riding ability. I was unsteady enough that I thought at the time, &quot;People that say you don&#x27;t forget how to ride a bike are full of shit.&quot;<p>Granted, my ability to ride came back faster than if I was learning from scratch. It might become a discussion determining different shades of &quot;forget&quot; -- but if we get to that point, then we&#x27;ve conceded the crisp assertion that &quot;we don&#x27;t forget how to ride a bike&quot;.
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jonas21over 6 years ago
Reminded me of this Smarter Every Day video, which is definitely worth a watch:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0</a><p>(The Backwards Brain Bicycle)
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victor106over 6 years ago
From the excellent smartereverday youtube channel<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;MFzDaBzBlL0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;MFzDaBzBlL0</a><p>Strongly recommend to watch the above video.He does an experiment on how long it takes to get comfortable by changing the handle bars.
baddoxover 6 years ago
Does anyone find anything odd or unique about the fact that we don’t forget how to ride a bike? I can’t think of any similar activity that people <i>do</i> forget.
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chmod775over 6 years ago
Because the main &quot;skill&quot; to riding a bike is actually overcoming your fear that it&#x27;ll tip over. A bike is naturally stable while moving and your body&#x27;s natural sense of balance will do the rest.<p>Only when you&#x27;re actually scared, don&#x27;t trust the bike and try to overcompensate will you tip over.<p>You can &quot;get&quot; riding a bike on your first attempt if you&#x27;re trusting enough. I have seen children do it.<p>It took myself a few hours before my granddad lost his patience and pushed me down a steep hill. On the way down it clicked (my dad had to catch me because i was too distracted to brake).
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Aaargh20318over 6 years ago
“Most of us learn how to ride a bike during childhood. But as we grow older, many of us stop riding and put those once-beloved bikes in storage.”<p>As a Dutch person, this is so weird to read. How can you get by in day-to-day life without a bike ? Mine broke the other day, nothing big just a snapped cable, but I was without a bike for all of 2 days and it felt like being handicapped.
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k__over 6 years ago
Probably depends on how much practice you had back in the days.<p>I rode a bike for 5 years, 3 of them every day before I had a pause of 8 years. Hopped on a bike and it was as if I never had the pause.<p>My girlfriend just learned to bike on a parking lot at her grandma&#x27;s, she did this every other weekend for an hour or so. When she started biking as an adult again, she had many problems and even fell a few times on the street.
aristophenesover 6 years ago
Two unique things about bikes is that it is harder the slower you go, and it uses a skill, balance, that we practice every day as we stand and walk. When you are a child, afraid of falling, with no experience, you want to go very slow. And that is the hardest way to ride a bike. As you increase speed it wants to stay more stable (on a flat surface).<p>Just the knowledge that you have done it before, that it is an easy thing, means that in the first second you are accelerating to a speed where it is in fact easy to ride a bike. I don&#x27;t think that particular example is as much about skill as it is about confidence.<p>Frankly, the experience &quot;you don&#x27;t forget how to ride a bike&quot; was true for me the very first time I rode a bike. My mom was holding on to the bike, then we moved faster, then a few seconds later I realized my mom had stopped behind me and I had been doing it on my own. We just had reached a speed where that became easy. And then the trick was not panicking ;)
exabrialover 6 years ago
Recently, over Thanksgiving break, nieces and nephews applied peer pressure on me to ride a bicycle &quot;and do one of those cool wheelie things&quot;. I avoided an ER visit but the resulting process failure proves the hypothesis painfully incorrect.
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ncmncmover 6 years ago
I teach kids to ride in 30 seconds, routinely.<p>Just don&#x27;t lie to them -- kids spend all the learning time discovering that the right way is opposite to what they were told. How do I teach? I tell them to balance with the handlebars, and steer by leaning. It always works, and fast! Try it, it&#x27;s fun.<p>So the answer to the title question is just that riding is very, very easy.
scarface74over 6 years ago
I have a slight physical impairment that makes it harder (but not impossible) to do things that require coordination - like riding a bike and swimming. I had to learn to adapt. Last year I rode a bike for the first time in over 25 years and I struggled with balance and coordination. It would take me at least a week to remember. I also have to concentrate on my form to swim. If I was dropped in a pool, I could swim back but it would take me awhile to remember <i>my</i> proper form so so I wouldn’t favor one side over the other.<p>I was also a fitness instructor for a little over 10 years, and stopped about 6 years ago because of $life. I remembered some of my old step routines, but I struggled trying to get all my body parts to work together again to do it. There are a few things that I physical can do, but it takes me a lot longer and a lot more practice to get it.
benj111over 6 years ago
Evolutionarily speaking, what is the impetus for this?<p>It isn&#x27;t like a dangerous situation, where you would benefit from remembering it for the rest of your life, despite only experiencing it once.<p>Also it isn&#x27;t like remembering something that you do every day.<p>The closest approximation I can think of is something that happens seasonally, it is probably beneficial to remember how to harvest the berries of the bonga bonga tree, despite not having seen them for 51 weeks.<p>Is long term memory not fine grained enough to bother differentiating between &#x27;a year ago&#x27; and &#x27;20 years ago&#x27;?
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tylergetsayover 6 years ago
This also works for a unicycle. It took me over a year to learn how to ride when I was a kid, as an adult I can still do it. My mother also learned as a child and was able to do it again as an adult. In my experience, there is a weird difference in the type of balance. I know how to hold my chest&#x2F;core to stay up straight, but my unconscious ability to hold that stable isn&#x27;t the same. Hence I wobbled a bit more, but I didn&#x27;t fall.
bambaxover 6 years ago
&gt; <i>One thing we know for sure, however, is simple sequences of movements we internalize, even far in the past, are typically preserved for a lifetime.</i><p>There may be a way to hack this? That is, store declarative data into procedural memory, so that we never ever forget it?<p>But maybe there are not many memories that need to be preserved over a long period of time. I can&#x27;t really think of anything that I would need to remember forever.
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rossdavidhover 6 years ago
My wife knew how to ride a bike as a child, and now does not know how, and BOY does it get her angry if someone says you never forget.
mrfusionover 6 years ago
Offshoot topic. I’ve always wondered, Does programming work like riding a bike? Has anyone taken years off programming and come back to it? What was it like?
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someearthover 6 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8</a>
sorokodover 6 years ago
Perhaps it is not that difficult to learn how to ride a bike as an adult and lack of previous experience is hard to measure.
hansthehorseover 6 years ago
Without evidence - I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s that we don&#x27;t forget how to ride but that an adult, any adult, can just get on a bike and ride it after operation is explained. Since everyone, or most everyone, rode one as a child we confuse this with &quot;remembering&quot; how to ride rather than having the adult reflexes and balance to naturally ride.
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pier25over 6 years ago
But why do we seem to forget more complex stuff like playing the piano which is also procedural?
sys_64738over 6 years ago
Just like we don&#x27;t forget how to drive a car. It becomes instinctive.
RandomGuyDTBover 6 years ago
I&#x27;ve learned how to ride a bike twice and I&#x27;ve forgotten it twice - I still don&#x27;t quite believe people &quot;never forget&quot; how to ride a bike (given a long enough time).
black-teaover 6 years ago
Has this actually been tested for a large number of years? I learnt to drive a manual car and then proceeded to not drive for ten years. When I tried to drive again I essentially had to learn again from scratch (quite dangerous actually as I was still fully licensed and everything). Would it actually be the same for a bike? Ten years is quite a long time.
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picsaoover 6 years ago
My personal assumption is that all that comes close to the rush of the animal hunting experience rewires a part of the brain.
dsegoover 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t think many kids&#x2F;people even learn how to ride it properly. I see it all the time, causal riders don&#x27;t know how to mount or dismount and keep their saddle to low so they can put their feet down and I guess feel safer. It depends of what you mean by &quot;riding&quot; a bike. If it is just not falling over, then yeah, but also most people don&#x27;t forget how to hold a pencil.