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British Telecom bars Huawei's 5G kit from core of network

133 pointsby zerogvtover 6 years ago

11 comments

londons_exploreover 6 years ago
Considering that one can purchase a zero day exploit in pretty much any piece of network equipment for ~$50k, I don&#x27;t see how these &#x27;national security&#x27; claims hold up.<p>For a government who wants to spy, the difference between inserting your own exploit in a piece of equipment and paying $50k to find an existing exploit is insignificant.<p>Using an existing exploit is preferable anyway, because then it&#x27;s harder to trace the origins of the exploit back to you.
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bertiover 6 years ago
Recently we had a situation in New Zealand where a large telco announced Huawei would provide their 5G kit for the entire network, then days later had to retract because the national intelligence agency barred the deal [0].<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nzherald.co.nz&#x2F;business&#x2F;news&#x2F;article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=12167798" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nzherald.co.nz&#x2F;business&#x2F;news&#x2F;article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;...</a>
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lukebennettover 6 years ago
Not directly related to the story, but just for info - &quot;British Telecom&quot; is an incorrect name (it&#x27;s not used in the BBC article). The company renamed from that to BT in 1991.
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xrayzeroneover 6 years ago
&gt; Huawei denies having any ties to the Chinese government beyond those of being a law-abiding taxpayer.<p>I find it interesting that these kinds of verbal games are continually played out in the public eye despite everyone involved knowing exactly what&#x27;s going on. And that goes for all APT &#x2F; nation-state actors.
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Theodoresover 6 years ago
The problem is that Huawei kit does not have GCHQ&#x2F;NSA backdoor capabilities. Hence it has to be banished.<p>The story has not changed since five years ago:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.co.uk&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;25&#x2F;huawei_responds_to_spying_allegations&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.co.uk&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;25&#x2F;huawei_responds_to_...</a><p>It would be commercial suicide for Huawei to have backdoored their export products. For the Chinese domestic market they may have &#x27;Great Firewall&#x27; extras to them but for export products it simply makes no business sense.<p>There is zero evidence in the public domain to support the hysterical allegations of the crazy folks in our domestic military-industrial-espionage complex.<p>In former times there was this quaint notion of innocent until proven guilty. It is time we grow up a bit and stop slandering our Chinese friends. Xenophobia has never helped.<p>Edit: Instead of downvoting, please explain the flaws in my comment, whether they be based on unsubstantiated claims, tone of voice or just personal grudge. Thank-you.
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pjc50over 6 years ago
So <i>something</i> has changed, because there used to be a weird little collaboration&#x2F;supervision operation going on between BT, Huawei, and UK Intelligence at Martlesham Heath.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eadt.co.uk&#x2F;business&#x2F;martlesham-heath-huawei-pledges-to-invest-370m-in-superfast-5g-mobile-network-1-2972789" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eadt.co.uk&#x2F;business&#x2F;martlesham-heath-huawei-pled...</a>
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setqukover 6 years ago
Edit: UK outage vendor confirmed as Ericsson: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uk.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;us-o2telefonica-outages&#x2F;ericsson-software-glitch-hits-mobile-services-in-britain-and-japan-idUKKBN1O51I2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uk.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;us-o2telefonica-outages&#x2F;erics...</a><p>Old paranoia filled post left below for reference. Thanks to saaaaaam for pointing the above link out.<p>----<p>There&#x27;s something going on here, political or technical.<p>O2&#x2F;Telefonica subcontracted out a lot of their core to Huawei in 2012 [1]. Literally today, after their CFO was arrested in Canada [2], we&#x27;ve been hit with a massive telecoms outage here in the UK which has taken out data &#x2F; SMS. O2 have stated that it&#x27;s due to one of their technology provider&#x27;s software [3].<p>Edit: Giffgaff (virtual provider) have also stated that this is a global problem which is even more worrying [4]<p>I hope this is a coincidence.<p>We&#x27;ve had data down here in UK from 0500 to 14:00 so far...<p>China stock is falling, this happened, Huawei already have a somewhat iffy reputation and now BT is throwing out news about jumping ship from them suddenly.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;telecoms.com&#x2F;44197&#x2F;huawei-wins-managed-services-deal-with-o2-uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;telecoms.com&#x2F;44197&#x2F;huawei-wins-managed-services-deal-...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-46465768" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-46465768</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;O2&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070612301110226944" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;O2&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070612301110226944</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;giffgaff&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070674248606339072" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;giffgaff&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070674248606339072</a>
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kennydudeover 6 years ago
&gt; still plans to use the Chinese company&#x27;s phone mast antennas and other products deemed not to be at the &quot;core&quot; of the service.<p>So apparently phone masts aren&#x27;t &quot;core&quot; to a _phone network_?
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infinity0over 6 years ago
&gt; However, critics point out that its founder, Ren Zhengfei, was a former engineer in the country&#x27;s army and joined the Communist Party in 1978. There are also questions about how independent of state influence any large Chinese company can be.<p>Is this really the best they can come up with? I&#x27;ve never heard any more specific accusations, in any media. Sounds pretty racist.<p>(I have seen specific accusations that Huawei is violating sanctions, but that is a separate concern from national security in infrastructure.)
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lostmsuover 6 years ago
Seems like they started fight with Huawei via non-market means. Does it mean its actually a successful hardware company, threatening Apple&#x2F;Samsung dominance?<p>As for fears, they could mandate open source with reproducible builds for all security critical infrastructure hardware.
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zbyover 6 years ago
&quot;Backdoor in event-stream library dependency&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18534392" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18534392</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2018&#x2F;nov&#x2F;29&#x2F;why-we-stopped-trusting-elites-the-new-populism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2018&#x2F;nov&#x2F;29&#x2F;why-we-stopped-...</a>?<p>Trust!