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Market Moves Suggest a Recession Is Unavoidable

95 pointsby crunchlibrarianover 6 years ago

13 comments

alistonover 6 years ago
How can something &quot;suggest&quot; a recession is &quot;unavoidable.&quot; If its a suggestion, then by definition it isn&#x27;t unavoidable.<p>These articles are silly. You&#x27;ll find them for every time the market sneezes.<p>October 2015, World Faces a Recession Next Year: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;10&#x2F;13&#x2F;citis-buiter-world-faces-recession-next-year.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;10&#x2F;13&#x2F;citis-buiter-world-faces-rec...</a><p>June 2016, The Next Recession is Already Here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;the-next-recession-is-already-here-and-there-isnt-much-the-fed-can-do-commentary.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;the-next-recession-is-alread...</a><p>There might be a recession next year, but the Fed might cut rates, Brexit might not happen, the EU might resume easing and the stock market might double in the next 5 years. Nobody knows.
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jamestimminsover 6 years ago
Things that keep me up at night as a software contractor&#x2F;freelancer: if there&#x27;s a recession, are contractors the first to go? One counter-argument is that contractors can be a cheaper way for companies to build products (since it&#x27;s not full time), which might mean companies favor contractors. On the other hand, companies who are reluctant to lay off full-time staff may start by canceling contract relationships.
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Symmetryover 6 years ago
If you could know a recession was inevitable some time soon from publicly available information then that recession wouldn&#x27;t happen in the predicted time frame. Everybody would see it coming, take their money out of the market, and it would happen instantly.
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wil421over 6 years ago
Would it be wise to wait a year before buying a house? If a recession hits it might turn my areas buyers market into a fire-sale.<p>I guess if the fed isn’t raising rates then it’s not an issue. Waiting would also allow someone to increase their down payment.
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2bitencryptionover 6 years ago
What scares me is how <i>everything</i> nowadays is available to purchase through financing.<p>A toaster form BestBuy.com? Finance it for $4&#x2F;month. New iPhone for $1000? How about monthly installments instead? It&#x27;s not even the exception anymore, it&#x27;s the norm.<p>Even without exorbitant interest rates, the idea that there is supply or demand for financing all aspects of life does not bode well for people&#x27;s long-term wealth...
reasonablemannover 6 years ago
Recessions are a necessary part of the business cycle. A lot of people would argue that global central banks have gone too far trying to avoid a recession and thus the next recession will be particularly brutal.<p>Like laws designed to encourage forest growth, when the fire eventually comes it burns far brighter than the fire that burns in a forest left alone.
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ryansmccoyover 6 years ago
Only a portion of the yield curve inverted, and based on recent history, its predictive ability for the US economy is not what it used to be.<p>IMO, The important indicator to keep an eye on is earnings growth, which in the most recent quarter was (from what I recall) sales growth +8% and EPS growth +25%.<p>One headwind to keep lookout for next year will be tough comparison because of the tax cuts.<p>Also, like others have mentioned, doomsayers are a dime a dozen. Personally, I like to see what people with skin in the game have to say&#x2F;are doing to their portfolio allocations.
40acresover 6 years ago
I was in high school during the last recession so I have no idea of what to expect, but how does one take advantage of a recession? Do you invest in blue chip stocks that you assume will ride out the recession and bounce back? (Apple in Google in 2008 would&#x27;ve been solid investments), do you take advantage of rising interest rates and buy bonds in addition to boosting your savings account? Do you buy a house? What&#x27;s the m.o?
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ry4n413over 6 years ago
IMO, market is down because of increase discount rate (risk), not a decrease in earnings (fundamentals)
cwperkinsover 6 years ago
Given the projected IPOs next year (Lyft, Uber, AirBnB) I think this is a little pre-mature. I think the bull market has another year in it. That being said I&#x27;m shifting some of my assets out of the market.
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malvoseniorover 6 years ago
If this is true, where is the best place to invest 10k-100k USD today?
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kolbeover 6 years ago
His main justification: &quot;Just about everyone I talk to in the capital markets, including erstwhile bulls, acknowledges that things are slowing down.&quot; And &quot;everyone knows it is coming.&quot; And &quot;everyone knows that inverted yield curves are the most reliable recession indicators.&quot;<p>He talks about home builders &quot;getting crushed,&quot; which means they&#x27;re trading at levels last seen in 2017. The large tech stock haircuts he refers to means most are at levels they traded at earlier this year.<p>I&#x27;m not saying he&#x27;s wrong about a recession coming, but if you&#x27;re looking for some real substance to justify that stance, you won&#x27;t find it in this article. Just a guy copying Trump&#x27;s tactic of saying &quot;everyone knows&quot; instead of offering evidence.
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rchaudover 6 years ago
&gt; &quot;We have lost sight of the fact that a recession has cleansing properties, helping to right the wrong of the billions of dollars allocated to bad businesses while getting people refocused on investing in profitable enterprises.&quot;<p>If this were true, loss-making companies would never IPO. There is such a thing as a normal boom and bust cycle. The &quot;bust&quot; portion is the recession, the hangover after the bull market effects of the US tax cuts have petered out.