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Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook

139 pointsby adrianhonover 6 years ago

11 comments

yeuxverteover 6 years ago
Have we really gotten to the point where "some dude quit Facebook" is considered news? The fact that the NYT has degenerated to this is disappointing. While there are certainly fair criticisms of Facebook, this trigger friendly news coverage of the company is becoming outrageous and is detracting from any previous viable points.
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abakkerover 6 years ago
At its core, facebook contains a useful service. It&#x27;s messaging capabilities are good, and the fact that identities and connections facebook are persistent effectively combats the problem that plagued much of the early internet: constantly changing pseudonyms and emails. I know that it is not necessary, but it is convenient. Additionally, its support for multimedia posts, links, profiles and other adds a nice, rich experience.<p>Unfortunately, many of the internet&#x27;s great consumer businesses were built on this premise that advertising will pay for everything. That premise has been a good one for many years now, but, advertisers are getting savvier, and the addressable market is getting addressed pretty well. yes, there is room for growth, but, for many advertisers, that growth is not inside their target markets. While targeted marketing does provide value, I think it is an open question &quot;how targeted is enough targeted?&quot; Meaning that there is not definitive and universal data on where the benefits of less privacy really result in positive outcomes for advertisers. I would guess that in many cases greater accuracy in audience targeting does not result in statistically significant improvements in conversions when balanced against the increased cost of hyper targeted vs semi targeted ads. I am sure this depends heavily on many factors.<p>The challenge, though, is that facebook has to grow revenue, and, they have pursued this with advertisers by attempting to differentiate their ad products on the basis of hyper targeting. they <i>do</i> have differentiated ability to do this, and it gives them a competitive edge. It means that they spend the majority of their time building products that the liminal areas around personal privacy and ethics.<p>This puts them in a very difficult spot, because many of their competitors <i>in the ad business</i> are doing the same thing, and trying to get the same level of detail. Google has not launched multiple social networks just for the fun of it...they did it to serve their customers.<p>The monetization and differentiation that facebook has pursued has pushed them to be on the bleeding edge of selling granular, user-specific data. This seems unlikely to change without an outside force to force a change of behavior in their competitors as well. If you take away the competitive pressure to do something (by making it illegal, for example) then it can avoid further progress in this arms race.
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mindgam3over 6 years ago
“I am doing this — after being on Facebook for nearly 12 years — because my own values and the policies and actions of Facebook have diverged to the point where I’m no longer comfortable here,” he wrote on Facebook.
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mikestewover 6 years ago
If it&#x27;s out of principal, I&#x27;m surprised it took him this long, but hey, we all have our own breaking point. I especially appreciate the non-hysterical tone of the message, rather than the too-common table-wiping rant.
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pasbesoinover 6 years ago
I remember when and after a friend twisted my arm to join, my reluctance in part due to having read how the young(er) Zuckerberg treated his nascent online property and his classmates.<p>Well, I considered, perhaps people can improve. And, it&#x27;s not just him anymore, it&#x27;s an institution that and whose people will establish and enforce more acceptable, accountable norms.<p>Not so much, I guess. Shame on me, for overriding my intuition.
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russdpaleover 6 years ago
Remember when facebook first came out, and we laughed at people with AOL accounts? Now its facebook in aol&#x27;s old position, laughable.
JohnJamesRamboover 6 years ago
People that work at Facebook here, does it make you uncomfortable about the future, and make you question what you are doing, when things like this happen?
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classichasclassover 6 years ago
Nit: the TRS-80 Model 100 didn&#x27;t come out until 1983. I realize the NYT is just quoting the Verge article where the original error is, but portable computers like that were merely a dream in 1977.
tlynchpinover 6 years ago
gotta rep Tru Thoughts, I&#x27;m listening to the latest Unfold [0] and reading here about dear Walt, selector dishes up this gem:<p>Homeboy Sandman &amp; Edan - #NeverUseTheInternetAgain (Stones Throw)<p>life imitates art!<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mixcloud.com&#x2F;truthoughts&#x2F;tru-thoughts-presents-unfold-161218-with-miink-flowdan-and-sampology&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mixcloud.com&#x2F;truthoughts&#x2F;tru-thoughts-presents-u...</a>
chrissamover 6 years ago
He probably quit Facebook due to Facebook being constantly defamed in the media - and now the media is reporting on him leaving. It&#x27;s like that Jake Gyllenhaal movie where he starts off as an ambulance chasing freelance reporter and ends up causing crimes so he can film them.
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simplecomplexover 6 years ago
Values?<p>I understand not using Facebook because it’s annoying and filled with ads... but what values is one upholding when they quit Facebook because they show ads? That advertising is evil?<p>I don’t watch TV because it sucks and is filled with ads, in other words it’s not worth it. But I don’t pretend that is some kind of moral victory.
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