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Ask HN: How real is Ageism?

4 pointsby madmonkover 6 years ago
I&#x27;m a webdev with 10+ years experience with the same company and may need to be looking for a job soon. Though I&#x27;ve never seen evidence of it, I&#x27;ve heard that ageism is a concern in tech. Has anyone seen&#x2F;experienced any sort of ageism with regards to hiring? Should I make efforts to make myself appear younger when interviewing?<p>EDIT: A few specifics I forgot to include. I&#x27;m in my late 40&#x27;s and in the north east US.

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AnimalMuppetover 6 years ago
I think ageism may be real in some areas of tech, including in some kinds of programming. I think web dev may be one of those areas, but I&#x27;m not in that area and I don&#x27;t actually know.<p>Here&#x27;s what it looks like from where I sit: Older people want to get paid more. If you want to get paid more, you have to be worth more. You don&#x27;t become worth more by working longer hours - you can&#x27;t compete with the young on that front. Instead, be worth more by creating fewer bugs, by <i>not</i> creating flawed designs, by knowing that something is a bad idea <i>before</i> it&#x27;s implemented, and so on. Your experience has to show up in value for your employer, or it isn&#x27;t worth more money.<p>So if your experience isn&#x27;t worth more money, and you still want more money, you have trouble getting a job. It&#x27;s not ageism, exactly (though ageism could result as hiring people internalize the situation).<p>I said &quot;you have to be worth more money&quot;, but that isn&#x27;t exactly right. You have to be worth more money, <i>and be able to convince the hiring people that you are worth more money</i>. If their default assumption is &quot;older people aren&#x27;t worth it&quot;, you&#x27;ve got an uphill struggle.<p>Web dev itself may be a problem. Is experience worth more than knowing the latest framework? Can you learn that framework faster than the younger people?<p>&gt; Should I make efforts to make myself appear younger when interviewing?<p>No.
elliekellyover 6 years ago
As someone who was in a non-technology role[1] who has interviewed people for technology roles I think ageism in technology is often inadvertent (I&#x27;ve never heard anyone say &quot;Candidate X is too old for this position&quot;) and &quot;shows&quot; itself more than other areas because technology moves so fast. As people move up in an organization there is less need to hone their skills. &quot;Old school&quot; investment managers I have worked with still manage to the 60&#x2F;40 rule. Similarly, a bank I worked for had a CTO who was probably top-notch at server security in the 1990&#x27;s but completely resisted any SaaS that used AWS because of &quot;security concerns.&quot; Instead of learning how to assess whether the way a potential vendor has configured AWS posed any risk to our company he just turned them away. He didn&#x27;t understand AWS and had no interest in trying to. Because technology advances so quickly the CTO has been let go (resisting AWS is futile) while the 60&#x2F;40 guy will probably continue to mismanage money for his clients until he decides to retire in the next 2-5 years.<p>[1] Attorney but also happened to wear Chief Info Security Officer&#x2F;Chief Privacy Officer hats