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Facebook Finds A New Way To Liberate Your Gmail Contact Data

116 pointsby stevedericoover 14 years ago

13 comments

kmavmover 14 years ago
Some points that are getting lost in the discussion below. I work at Facebook.<p>1. Facebook lets you export your data. It has been possible to do so ever since the graph API debuted in April '10. Since the market wasn't filling the gap, we even built a "download your information" product (<a href="https://register.facebook.com/editaccount.php" rel="nofollow">https://register.facebook.com/editaccount.php</a> -&#62; Download Your Information). It gives you a zip file with all your contact info, photos, video, status updates, wall posts, etc. If somebody would like to write an importer for Diaspora, or Google Me, or even a non-vaporware competitor, they are well within Facebook's ToS, imho.<p>2. Facebook allows other sites programmatic access to the social graph. Yes, the supposed "crown jewels." That's exactly what Facebook Connect is for. You can see it in the wild on Pandora, Netflix, Yelp, Quora, and literally millions of other websites that are already doing what Google claims it wants to do: identify your Facebook friends.<p>3. Most importantly, what Google is insisting on is completely insane.<p>The ability to <i>export my friends' email</i> sounds good, but as with so many social product ideas (e.g., themed backgrounds for profiles), it stops sounding so good when you realize everybody has the same power. Think of it instead as: all of your Facebook friends can export your email to anybody who writes a Facebook app. Those spam quizzes? Every farm simulation knock-off flash game? The day Facebook does this, every Facebook user will wake up with their inbox crammed solid with spam from random Facebook applications that they do not even use.<p>What Google has not explained is why they need <i>friends' email addresses</i>, per se. Why couldn't whatever message they want to transmit be transmitted via Facebook messages, or wall posts, which send email notifications to almost all users anyway, and are already available via third-party APIs? This entire "not open enough!" straw man is a set of moving goalposts that Google will use to justify whatever competitive maneuvering they find convenient.<p><i>Facebook is in the right here,</i> people. The product decision Google is asking Facebook to take would be a disaster for Facebook users. Meanwhile, the lever Google is using to attack Facebook comes entirely at the expense of GMail's users, who before this episode were voting with their feet by the millions to import their contact data to Facebook, and no longer have that option. Google is making its users' lives worse, in an attempt to make Facebook make <i>its</i> users lives worse.
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dododoover 14 years ago
or "facebook won't let you liberate your facebook data to alternate providers".<p>i don't understand why people tolerate facebook. they don't seem deserving of the trust people give them. first opt-in/opt-out privacy issues, now this... plus it doesn't seem like they're really trying to make money yet. i suppose this is what the initial "exclusivity" of the facebook brand got them: loyalty without needing trust.
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ck2over 14 years ago
What really upsets me about Facebook is I refuse to start an account there but they already know everything about me because they tricked all my AOL/gmail-using friends into giving them full access to their contact lists.<p>So I constantly get spam from Facebook personalized with my name, location and list of friends, based on all the stupid data they have sucked up. It's borderline stalking.
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andreyfover 14 years ago
Uh, exporting your address book from Google and uploading it to Facebook is perfectly within any user's rights - it's a textbook example of data liberation. Now if only I could export my facebook pictures and easily import them into Picasa, or sync my facebook wall with my Buzz stream...
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michaelhartover 14 years ago
Google could easily fix this w/o impacting other services: block Facebook's referrer. And then present them with an opt-in page for Google.me... BOOM! Instant win? High five.
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mrspeakerover 14 years ago
Google should just get in contact with Hacker News - they are great at preventing their precious data from getting out. I've never seen a big data set go up on bit torrent and have all traces vanish so rapidly!
yasonover 14 years ago
I would never give my gmail password to any third party proxy. So this is how I imported my gmail email addresses to facebook a few years ago in the first place. I took the export from Gmail in CSV format, cleaned out anything but email addresses, and fed them in Facebook.
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atamyratover 14 years ago
Google added private API to Android to make contact data imported through Facebook sync adapter in-accessible/invisible to other applications!<p>Maybe Google should respond by removing that restriction.<p>This API was implemented specially for Facebook and only used by them.
codyguyover 14 years ago
Wonder if there will be statistics released on how many google users export data using this method. That would signal an interesting trend. Of course anything coming from Facebook HQ would have to taken with a pinch of salt.
bhavinover 14 years ago
Facebook 'Liberating' you gmail contact data?<p>Sounds like Nazis 'liberating' France in WW2.
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noahkaganover 14 years ago
and by liberate they mean spam.
RtodaAVover 14 years ago
Kinda off topic but does anybody know the status of ''Google Me''?
RtodaAVover 14 years ago
The ball's in your court google