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Ask HN: Can we get an clear definition of bureaucracy and its implications?

7 pointsby wh-uwsover 14 years ago
I often hear this word tossed around and I know people seem to universally agree that it is bad but I can't decipher exactly what they mean by it from anywhere on HN.<p>Also in a theoretically perfect company how do you manage getting things done / ship without any kind of process while having a way for people to grow and advance in a company and still not bog it down with "political" "bureaucracy"?

4 comments

pgover 14 years ago
Off the top of my head, it's when you can't act unilaterally.
netcanover 14 years ago
It's one of those instances where definitions, especially concise ones, always end up conveying less meaning the the original word. They are really a bunch of behaviors or characteristics we associate with the words. What is classy, sexy, tragic, trashy etc.<p>What we can find are behaviors and characteristics that can act as a test for bureaucratic or political because its hard to imagine a company embodying them without embodying some others.<p>Political is neither equitable nor meritocratic. If a decision is made for neither of those reasons, it will probably be described as political. Applying it to hiring, promotions, raises, partnerships and sales seems to hold up well. If the beauty queen isn't the prettiest and there aren't any equity issues involved, it's political. If a hire isn't the best or a raise isn't fair, it's probably political. I think there's a definition here. It's interesting that this defines political decisions as pretty much a particular class of wrong decisions.<p>Bureaucratic is when rules are obeyed for their own sake, not for whatever reason they were made. I think it also implies lots of rules.<p>With those two definitions it seems like political is always bad. Bureaucratic might have some uses.
pshapiroover 14 years ago
Just like a religion, it's when words and rules become more important than problems (and thus the truth that can be confirmed through those problems). If so, people are forced to do things that don't match the problems, and so the reason why they do things becomes to match a rule instead of an existent problem.<p>The implication is that the organization that runs like that will get bigger and bigger, worse and worse, and the activities of the group will make them exhaust themselves and lose their ability to understand their market and to adapt quickly, as the source of their ability is based on seeing things that exist now rather than a year ago. It's hard for a small organization to stay afloat like that, much less an entire country. Although countries are so big that they can appear to be doing just fine for a while but eventually the interest catches up with them.
_b8r0over 14 years ago
Doing things for the sake of doing it, even with the best intentions. See 'Best Practice', 'Competency Based Framework' or 'Standards Compliance Management'.<p>I'm not saying those things can't be good, but they're not panaceas. If you're aiming that high your sights are too low.