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AMD is edging closer to breaking Nvidia's graphic dominance

143 pointsby toufiqbarhamovover 6 years ago

12 comments

so_tiredover 6 years ago
Wanna know why AMD drivers are so broken?<p>I talked once to an AMD project managery guy. He told me how they have several teams in different countries. And for each feature&#x2F;bug different managers have to &quot;bid&quot; with weekly resource estimates. Bid too high and you dont get enough work for your peoples. Bid too low and they end up with unpaid overtime. Rinse and repeat.<p>And these are kernel developers...<p>EDIT: to be clear, I am rooting for competition to Intel and NVIDIA. I just dont think this kind of culture can work on the software side.
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dogma1138over 6 years ago
With a $5000&gt; card (MI50) AMD is forced to sell at a loss to be able to meet the same performance levels NVIDIA had for the same amount of money ($700) 2 years ago.<p>If this is getting closer I think they need a better tape measurer.<p>With 16GB of aquabolt HBM2 on a 7nm node there is no way AMD is losing less than $150 per card without even accounting for opportunity loss.<p>In fact this card is the reason why the head of the RTG was fired when suggesting to sell it at $749 at a loss.<p>The 2080 for all intents and purposes is a mid range die.<p>The only thing AMD is competing on atm is price and for them it’s a lose lose situation until Navi comes out and that is only if Navi could actually be competitive above the $300 price bracket as it’s a Polaris successor its not clear if AMD will have anything on the level of the 2080 not to mention the 2080ti based on Navi.<p>AMD had to drop the prices of VEGA to around $300 due to the RTX 2060 they are likely also losing money on that front, they are losing money on Radeon 7 and hopefully they will finally make money with Navi.
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brandonover 6 years ago
Depending on how much stock you put into the Steam Hardware Survey, it&#x27;s worth noting that Nvidia still controls 74% of the market relative to AMD&#x27;s 15%: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;hwsurvey&#x2F;videocard&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;hwsurvey&#x2F;videocard&#x2F;</a><p>I also feel like graphics cards are one of those weird things that command a lot of brand loyalty, so it&#x27;s probably going to take more than near-performance-parity to move the needle.
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jclayover 6 years ago
Maybe for the competitive consumer graphics market, but I don&#x27;t see them disrupting Nvidia&#x27;s hold in the HPC world. With Nvidia&#x27;s NVLink, you can achieve high bandwidth data transfer between graphics cards without having to pass through the PCIe to CPU. If you have large computations that require syncing data among multiple GPU&#x27;s, NVLink is your most performant option by a large margin. That&#x27;s not to mention how much further ahead CUDA is from Sycl, OpenCL, ROCm, etc. I certainly welcome the competition (and hopefully an open standard). In my experience, CUDA is ahead on developer tooling, performance and productivity features (Thrust, Unified Memory, C++17 support, etc).
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shmerlover 6 years ago
Radeon 7 (Vega 20) is a major overkill for gaming though. It looks more like a 3D rendering targeted card. Upcoming Navi cards supposedly should be more gaming oriented and more affordable.
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dragontamerover 6 years ago
I&#x27;m no graphics programmer. I&#x27;m mostly interested in the compute (OpenCL, CUDA) side of things. I don&#x27;t own an NVidia GPU, so my experience mostly relates to AMD.<p>I&#x27;m certainly interested in AMD&#x27;s Linux &quot;ROCm&quot; push. I really think the programming model there is relatively easy to understand, but there are major flaws in the documentation and implementation.<p>For example, OpenCL 1.2 on ROCm 2.0 isn&#x27;t stable enough to run Blender Cycles. Yes, you can render the default cube, but very slowly. On a real scene, Blender Cycles on OpenCL ROCm can take 500+ seconds to compile, and the actual execution seems to hang (infinite loop and&#x2F;or memory segfault, depending on the scene) on anything close to a typical geometry.<p>Note that Blender&#x27;s OpenCL code is explicitly written for AMD&#x27;s older OpenCL (AMDGPU-Pro OpenCL implementation). Blender has a separate CUDA branch for NVidia cards. So OpenCL ROCm is at very least performance-incompatible with OpenCL AMDGPU-Pro. The Blender OpenCL code probably has to be rewritten to work (ie: not infinite loop), and maybe even become efficient on OpenCL ROCm again.<p>--------<p>AMD&#x27;s hardware is fine (not as power-efficient as NVidia, but performance is fine, in theory). But the drivers &#x2F; software stack is clearly immature. Even as ROCm has hit a 2.0 release, these sorts of issues still exist.<p>AMDGPU-PRO with OpenCL1.2 is workable, but feels old and cranky. (OpenCL 1.2 was specified in 2011, and is missing key features. Its atomics model is incompatible with C&#x2F;C++11, its missing SVM and kernel-side enqueue... etc. etc.)<p>AMDGPU-PRO OpenCL2.0 is theoretically supported, but is still unstable in my experience. ROCm OpenCL (both 1.2 and 2.0) is still under development, but doesn&#x27;t seem to be ready for prime-time yet. (At least, with Blender 2.79 or 2.80 Cycles is any indication).<p>AMD HCC seems usable, but there aren&#x27;t many programs using it. AMD HIP is an interesting idea but I haven&#x27;t used it.<p>I know NVidia has driver issues &#x2F; software issues. But CUDA Code written 5 years ago will still have similar performance &#x2F; implementation if run on today&#x27;s cards, on today&#x27;s software stack. I&#x27;m not sure if the same is true for AMD&#x27;s OpenCL code (between AMDGPU-PRO OpenCL1.2 and ROCm 1.2).<p>----------<p>Long story short: the only mature AMD OpenCL compute platform seems to be OpenCL 1.2 on AMDGPU-PRO. Fortunately, it also seems like AMDGPU-PRO will work for the foreseeable future, but AMD really needs to clarify its platform to attract developers. (Ex: prioritize testing of ROCm OpenCL to ensure performance-compatibility with existing OpenCL 1.2 code written for AMDGPU-PRO)
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meshennaover 6 years ago
Methinks the title is a bit too strongly worded. At that price point Radeon VII is unlikely to win many customers over. If some of the recent leaks[1] turn out to be true, then we can talk about &quot;edging closer to breaking Nvidia&#x27;s graphic dominance.&quot;<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;PCdsTBsH-rI?t=1247" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;PCdsTBsH-rI?t=1247</a><p>Edit: added timestamp to video
twtwover 6 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure I follow the reasoning in the article. It says if ray tracing flops, AMD will take the lead, but then goes on to say that AMD believes ray tracing will be important and is working on it.
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m0zgover 6 years ago
I (selfishly) hope they succeed. NVIDIA is getting ridiculous with their constrained supply of $1200+ high end GPUs.
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kordlessagainover 6 years ago
Related, AMD&#x27;s stock has been heavily manipulated for years: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;seekingalpha.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;4153502-institutional-short-sale-amd-abusive" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;seekingalpha.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;4153502-institutional-short...</a>
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Octoth0rpeover 6 years ago
It&#x27;s certainly a very small part of the overall GPU-buying community, but nearly the entire hackintosh community has more or less abandoned &#x2F; foresworn NVIDIA due to lack of mojave drivers. Even on older macos releases, the nvidia drivers were awful.
xvilkaover 6 years ago
Good, NVIDIA should bankrupt as soon as possible, because of their opensource stance.