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Is this evidence we can see into the future?

15 pointsby Umaluover 14 years ago

2 comments

Eliezerover 14 years ago
<i>The effects he recorded were small but statistically significant.</i><p>And this, ladies and gentlebeings, is why you should be very wary of ever believing studies with small but statistically significant effects.<p>Psi is the control group for modern science: they use the same methods in a case where no actual phenomena exists, and yet it looks like a regular field of scientific study, dealing with "small but statistically significant effects", and the larger the sample size, the smaller the effect, but it remains "statistically significant".<p>And not only that, if a psi study finds that someone can guess which cards someone else has drawn from a deck, using telepathy, you will next find that someone can predict cards <i>before</i> they are taken from the deck, using precognition, and then that subjects can <i>influence</i> which cards are taken from the deck, using telekinesis, and <i>then</i> you will discover that they can influence which cards are taken from the deck, <i>two weeks later going backward in time</i>.<p>With small effect sizes that are statistically significant, of course.<p>Not because people can actually control which cards are taken from the deck two weeks after the fact.<p>But because <i>bad statistics are symmetrical in the directions of time and causation</i>, and it makes no difference to <i>bad statistics</i> whether the temporal distance is two seconds or two weeks.
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barendtover 14 years ago
My vote is probably not. The plausibility of these things is pretty important. With the aspirin heart attack prevention example mentioned in the text, we have a plausible biological mechanism to give us reason to expect an effect, so we can be satisfied with more equivocal data. I'm not aware of a plausible mechanism for precognition - in fact, it seems like precognition would probably require a bunch of other things we think true to be false to work - so I'll need much stronger evidence than this to accept it.<p>Also, a thought - if precognition is possible, why don't we see more of it? Being able to improve recall of words is nifty and all, but it seems like it'd give you a huge advantage catching prey or evading predators so I'd expect to see evidence of it all over the place.
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