TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

Just because it’s falsifiable doesn’t mean it’s good science

69 pointsby _aleph2c_over 6 years ago

12 comments

taneqover 6 years ago
Of course, but if it&#x27;s falsifiable then once it&#x27;s falsified <i>it will go away</i>. If it&#x27;s not falsifiable then it&#x27;s &quot;not even wrong&quot; and it&#x27;s impossible to convince people to stop repeating it as if it&#x27;s fact (or worse, an &#x27;undeniable possibility&#x27;).
评论 #19054543 未加载
评论 #19054459 未加载
评论 #19054609 未加载
评论 #19054737 未加载
j16sdizover 6 years ago
He is arguing against building the larger particle collider.<p>There are too little theory support of such collider can find anything new under the standard model.<p>IMO, it is not the matter of &quot;science&quot;. This is economics.
评论 #19055458 未加载
评论 #19053404 未加载
评论 #19056932 未加载
评论 #19053357 未加载
foxesover 6 years ago
I can understand the argument, but what other methods do we have to test particle physics other than building larger and more powerful colliders? Are there some new designs that would make it cheaper?<p>Otherwise I don&#x27;t mind spending money just for the sake of exploration, maybe that money could be &quot;more well spent&quot;, but that&#x27;s true for a lot of things. Who knows maybe it will find something interesting. It&#x27;s not even a total waste anyway as it will probably spur jobs &#x2F; research &#x2F; interest.
评论 #19054882 未加载
squirrelicusover 6 years ago
Tangent: I find it interesting that futurists often claim technology is accelerating such that a &quot;Singularity&quot; of technological development may occur. To my eyes, however, the opposite seems true--each technological advancement seems exponentially more expensive, as if we&#x27;ve picked all the low hanging fruit. And now we&#x27;re building $24bn particle accelerators to test really obscure things that may or may not have any impact on the next breakthrough.
评论 #19056905 未加载
评论 #19057600 未加载
presscastover 6 years ago
What is meant by &quot;natural&quot; in the context of the Standard Model?
评论 #19053351 未加载
kwhitefootover 6 years ago
Did anyone ever say it did?
评论 #19053580 未加载
评论 #19054766 未加载
nonbelover 6 years ago
It is impossible to ever prove or disprove a theory, so falisfiability is a red herring.<p>For a theory <i>T</i> and observations <i>O</i>, you can have 4 possible scenarios. Where &quot;!&quot; indicates &quot;not&quot;:<p>Starting from theory<p><pre><code> Modus Ponens : T therefore O Denying the Antecedant : !T therefore !O </code></pre> Starting from observation<p><pre><code> Affirming the Consequent: O therefore T Modus Tollens : !O therefore !T </code></pre> Denying the antecedent and affirming the consequent are both invalid if other theories may be consistent with the same observations (which is always the case), leaving us with Modus Ponens and Modus Tollens as valid forms of reasoning.<p>What this means is that we can deduce:<p><pre><code> 1. what we should observe if our theory is really true (Modus Ponens) 2. a theory is not true if we fail to observe what it predicts (Modus Tollens) </code></pre> Modus Ponens reasoning is used to derive testable predictions from a theory, and then Modus Tollens reasoning is used when checking if the theory predicts the correct observations.<p>However, the relationship between theory and prediction <i>P</i> is not so simple. It is always the case that other assumptions <i>A</i> must be made along with the theory. These assumptions can be as simple as &quot;the equipment is functioning properly&quot;, but can get much more complicated.[1] I.e.:<p><pre><code> (T AND A) entails P </code></pre> If we fail to observe the prediction <i>P</i>, then the entire left side gets negated:<p><pre><code> !P entails !(T AND A) </code></pre> This is equivalent to saying <i>either</i> T or A is incorrect:<p><pre><code> !P entails !T OR !A </code></pre> So even in the best case scenario, you can never know if it is your theory that is wrong or some other assumption you making is wrong.<p>This should tell us the real value of science lies somewhere else besides falsifiability, e.g. in making <i>useful</i> or <i>otherwise surprising</i> predictions.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis</a>
_Nat_over 6 years ago
tl;dr- They&#x27;re arguing that there&#x27;s little point to building a new, larger particle collider to succeed the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) because, while there are hypotheses that such a new collider could falsify, those hypotheses aren&#x27;t sufficiently motivated to be worth falsifying.
评论 #19053910 未加载
评论 #19054603 未加载
评论 #19053601 未加载
edooover 6 years ago
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong. - Einstein<p>Science is the organized skepticism in the reliability of expert opinion. - Feynmann
r721over 6 years ago
Proper link: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;backreaction.blogspot.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;01&#x2F;just-because-its-falsifiable-doesnt.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;backreaction.blogspot.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;01&#x2F;just-because-its-fa...</a>
评论 #19053350 未加载
foucover 6 years ago
Good article. So many armchair &quot;physicists&quot; in the comments it&#x27;s hilarious.<p>I&#x27;m rather confused by how many got thrown by her comment about dark matter &amp; assuming an unspecified &quot;fluid&quot;, somehow they didn&#x27;t realize she was just making a reference to the formulation of the original definition of &quot;dark matter&quot;.
logistarkover 6 years ago
I think this woman has a crusade against current modern physics, and only in this kind of websites resonates. Wonder why.
评论 #19062704 未加载