<i>"Oracle provides TCK licenses under fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms consistent with its obligations under the JSPA"</i><p>IIRC, the whole problem of the Apache folks is that this is simply not true.
Does Oracle <i>still</i> not realize that there's no-one in the entire FOSS community that trusts them?<p>To Oracle: If you want to get our trust back, you need to do these two things:<p>1) Drop your stupid patent dick-waving against Google
2) Open source Java proper<p>Then, and only then, will we talk.
I'm having a difficult time reading their response, as their raised middle finger aimed in the ASF's general direction appears to be obscuring the view.<p>Disappointing.
I like Jim's response on Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/jimjag/status/4284342641623040" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/#!/jimjag/status/4284342641623040</a>
The way I put together this whole issue is this:<p>1. ASF wants the java license to be a grant of patent license.<p>2. ASF needs this for the Apache Harmony project.<p>3. Google Android uses Apache Harmory.<p>4. Oracle sues Google because of copyright infringement in the apache harmory related codes.<p>5. Oracle couldn't sue Google, if Harmory had a proper TCK license with patent grant in it.<p>Am I seeing this through correctly?