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Not Long Ago, Lenses Were Much Lighter

58 pointsby midefover 6 years ago

14 comments

alistairSHover 6 years ago
There are a few things that the article doesn&#x27;t mention that have impacted the weight of mirrorless lenses over time.<p>Initially, micro 4&#x2F;3 systems (and to some extent the other mirrorless systems) were mostly kit lenses and standard primes. Both of which tend to be largely plastic construction. And primes tend to weight less for a given focal length and quality than equivalent zooms.<p>More recently, &quot;pro&quot; level lenses have been made available in micro-4&#x2F;3. These tend to made of metal instead of plastic, driving up the weight. And, to keep fixed aperture values, the lenses are physically larger. So, weight goes up.<p>Then, an interesting side effect of this... a heavy lens on a light body is awkward to handle, so bodies have gotten a bit larger over time as well (plus feature creep). See Olympus&#x27; new EM1X, which as the vertical grip and 2nd battery compartment build into the body (vs the EM1, which has both as add-on accessories).<p>Personally, I like the variety. I have two micro-4&#x2F;3 bodies (smaller rangefinder-style EP5 and larger SLR-style EM5 mkii) with assorted lenses - primes, pro-level standard zoom, and a mid-level telephoto (physically longer than the standard zoom, but lighter because plastic). I can mix and match for any occasion - if I know I&#x27;ll be inside in low light, I just take the EP5 and the 17mm prime. Vacation - I&#x27;ll pack both bodies and 3-4 lenses, but on any given day, only carry a subset. Etc.
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jdietrichover 6 years ago
A modern full-frame DSLR sensor has greater resolving power than normal medium-format film. You need a really, really good lens to get the full performance out of a &gt;40MPix sensor. You still want to shoot handheld, so you want a really fast lens to minimise the impact of camera shake. Sharp&#x2F;fast&#x2F;light - pick any two. Zeiss, Sigma and Sony have broken the old Canon&#x2F;Nikon duopoly with a range of phenomenally good but relatively heavy lenses that can exploit the full capabilities of modern sensors.<p>Casual customers who need a &quot;good enough&quot; camera are perfectly satisfied with their smartphone or a cheap kit lens. Aftermarket lenses are inevitably going to target the pixel-peeping crowd who care about every lp&#x2F;mm, because they spend the big bucks on lenses. There&#x27;s still a market for lightweight aftermarket lenses, but it&#x27;s nowhere near as big or profitable as the market for monster glass.
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hcarvalhoalvesover 6 years ago
He&#x27;s comparing back to 2000&#x27;s, but lenses used to be much much heavier. I have an all-metal Pentax zoom from the 80&#x27;s that weights over 600g [1].<p>I believe the U curve he&#x27;s seeing reflects the process of DSLRs transitioning from being an equipment restricted to professionals, getting popular during the 90&#x27;s&#x2F;2000&#x27;s (pressuring manufacturers to produce cheaper, more lightweight lenses), and finally transitioning back to professional equipment, as cellphones and smaller cameras picked up on image quality.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pentaxforums.com&#x2F;lensreviews&#x2F;SMC-Pentax-A-35-105mm-F3.5-Zoom-Lens.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pentaxforums.com&#x2F;lensreviews&#x2F;SMC-Pentax-A-35-105...</a>
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mc32over 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t think the article is taking into account focal length. A 600mm lens will weigh more than a 100mm lens. Maybe the mirrorless MFGs began with 50, 120, 200mm models and finally getting some quality 400 and 600mm lenses out there which are going to affect weight.
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sevensorover 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t really know anything about photography, but I&#x27;d speculate that after smartphones became good enough for most amateur shutterbugs, lens makers were freed up to focus on people who were willing to accept extra mass for higher performance.
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rangibabyover 6 years ago
Lens review are driven by specs, and it is easy to zoom in to 1000% in Photoshop and check whether a lens is sharp or not, and sharpness needs more glass, which is heavy. It is easy to test and easy to understand.<p>To me it is like the difference between LPs and poorly mastered CDs. It&#x27;s easy to measure that the CD has more definition but sounds digital and lifeless. The scratches and pops of the LP give it personality.
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ip26over 6 years ago
Superteles should have been excluded, those really are coming down in weight thanks to advances in optics as well as higher ISO &amp; image stabilization allowing slower glass. Just look at the outlier &quot;max&quot; cases in the charts, and draw the trendline in your mind.
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azhenleyover 6 years ago
Improved manufacturing techniques for these lenses is likely another reason (on top of what is already mentioned in the comments: high resolution sensors and a changing market for such lenses).<p>I have found that I prefer modern Voigtlander lenses with my FF mirrorless body. They&#x27;re small, but hefty with great build quality and image quality. The CV 15mm f4.5 and 40mm f1.2 are all you need for a fun day of photography!
BeetleBover 6 years ago
Maybe I missed it, but isn&#x27;t this just an artifact of full frames becoming more popular since 2000?<p>All my heavy lenses are from the film era (they fit on my Pentax just fine). My heaviest lens is 40 years old.
paulmdover 6 years ago
The real shift occurred in the 90s when computer-aided design techniques really took off and exotic lens designs (ultra-low dispersion glasses and aspheric surfaces) became affordable to use in mass production. It suddenly became viable to design lenses with many more elements and more exotic elements as well.<p>A necessary condition was the rise of multi-coating, as each air-to-glass interface increases the amount of reflection and degrades the image. Pentax developed their &quot;SMC&quot; (super-multi-coating) process in the 60s, and licensed it to Hasselblad as the T* coating (in exchange for a license to the Distagon design produced as the K28&#x2F;2 and P67 55&#x2F;4 designs). A few other high-end companies like Nikon independently developed their own multi-coatings, but most of the industry muddled along with single-coating until Pentax&#x27;s patents expired, then immediately copied their process. So the explosion in lens complexity in the 90s was also partially driven by improvements in coatings that made it possible to minimize reflections and loss of contrast in lenses with high element counts (8-15 elements).<p>(this is why most older lenses were Triplets or Tessar formulas in the 30s and 40s... These lens formulas minimize the number of air-glass interfaces while providing a sufficient degree of sharpness. Modern designs like the Planar or Plasmat have been known for 100+ years (Planar was developed in 1896), but in those days the large number of air-glass interfaces would significantly degrade the contrast of these lenses. The development of single coatings prior to and during World War II drove an increase in lens elements during the 40s and 50s as well, to around 5-7 elements in high-end lenses, which is when you started seeing designs like the Plasmat really take off, like the Symmar or Sironar, and a shift to Planar in consumer cameras, eg Super Takumar or Nikkor-S 50&#x2F;1.4 types.)<p>The other thing worth mentioning is that people got fond of zoom lenses in the 90s and 2000s. It is much harder to design a lens that is corrected across a whole range of focal lengths, meaning you need a larger number of elements (and more weight). Meanwhile, people who shoot prime lenses got fond of super-fast apertures, which also require more elements to make.<p>If you go back to an old-style f&#x2F;3.5 or f&#x2F;2.8 prime lens, there are some very lightweight modern designs available (eg Sigma DN 30&#x2F;2.8 and 19&#x2F;2.8). If you want a modern 24-105mm f&#x2F;4 superzoom or a 35&#x2F;1.4 superfast lens with 12 elements in it, you&#x27;ll pay for it in weight. People want the faster apertures and wider zooms so lenses are getting heavier.<p>Those slower lenses are also much easier to correct, so they tend to be sharper than fast lenses are, unless the fast lens is much better corrected. In other words, you are better off shooting a f&#x2F;2.8 prime at f&#x2F;2.8 than an f&#x2F;1.4 prime at f&#x2F;2.8, in most cases (unless the f&#x2F;1.4 lens has ~3x the number of elements). Older superfast lenses (eg Nikkor Ai-S 35&#x2F;1.4) with spherical designs tend not to be that great.<p>Oh, yeah, I&#x27;m sure modern manufacturing also plays a role. Aspheric elements were first used around the 60s, the first I&#x27;m aware of being the Kilfitt Makro-Kilar 90&#x2F;2.8 design, but were extremely expensive to manufacture. Typically you would produce them via single-point diamond turning, essentially using a diamond point on a lathe to produce a non-spherical curve on the glass. CAD&#x2F;CAM manufacturing strikes again, these designs probably got a lot easier to produce in the 90s and 2000s, both from single-point turning on machine-assisted tools, as well as molded plastic lenses of useful composition.<p>So, really a convergence of various design and manufacturing improvements over the last 30 years, that made really high-end lenses viable to offer at prosumer-level price ranges.
maxxxxxover 6 years ago
I still miss my old Pentax screw drive lenses. They were high quality, robust and very light compared to today’s offerings. I think the new focus motors added a lot of weight but I am not sure.
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ginkoover 6 years ago
The best lens I probably own is my Canon ltm 35&#x2F;2 which weighs a whopping 120g.
Animatsover 6 years ago
Of course. Unless you need some giant lens, a smartphone&#x27;s imager and lens is probably good enough. Smartphones have eaten the low, and now the mid, end of cameras.
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Aardwolfover 6 years ago
Why is this site spamming with a message asking to show notifications?<p>That message is an unblockable popup ad imho.