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How does one appear in the Google News carousel?

321 pointsby owenwilover 6 years ago

38 comments

jonduboisover 6 years ago
This is scary because it translates to not just centralization of news sources but also centralization of power and wealth in general. Big news publishers get their money mostly from corporations.<p>I think I prefer to live in a world with fake news than one where the elites curate everything we learn.<p>The world has always had conmen, charlatans, snake-oil salesmen and fake news; in small quantities, they are essential to make sure that people keep questioning everything.<p>Fake news is like a vaccine which protects us against a zombie apocalypse. Most news cannot be scientifically proven to be true; so it doesn&#x27;t make sense that we should all believe it just because it&#x27;s popular. Popular news sources are more likely to be true but they are also a lot more dangerous if they&#x27;re not. Given enough time, these big news sources will be corrupted.
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bduerstover 6 years ago
- Like SEO, the rules for ranking are obfuscated to prevent gaming (to a degree).<p>- Unlike SEO, the &#x27;news&#x27; association for publishers comes with a standard of authority.<p>Imagine if it took ten minutes for OP to get their site listed and showing articles on the headline carousel. Now imagine how easy that same process would be for the waves of fake news blogs to spread misinformation. It&#x27;s far from perfect but the process is not that quick and not that easy for newcomers for a reason.
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boardwaalkover 6 years ago
Speaking generally about Google News, it&#x27;s amazing that Apple of all companies has leap frogged Google News with Apple News in terms of customization on top of curation.<p>It&#x27;s infuriating when a redesign has half the functionality of the original. It&#x27;s not like it was feature-rich in the first place!<p>It&#x27;s silly not being able to remove entertainment (aka celebrity gossip) or sports (even if I was a sport fan, I probably wouldn&#x27;t care about <i>every</i> sport -- why can&#x27;t I filter to MotoGP or what have you?) and having science be mostly several times regurgitated pop-sci and health be mostly fearing mongering nonsense.<p>I also regularly notice failures where articles they group together are almost entirely unrelated.<p>In the end, I still do RSS (although support in certain areas of interest are pretty weak) and Twitter (in a read-only fashion) and go to Google News over Apple News only by habit.
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stevenjohnsover 6 years ago
Google News was frustrating when I was writing articles. I use to write a lot of original content - lots of breaking news that would generate lots of interest around the web. Other sites would write articles and cite mine at the bottom, and Google News would still have them ranked higher even though I was linked to and sourced in their article and had published my article hours before theirs.<p>Even worse were the sites that didn&#x27;t cite at all. They&#x27;d copy my source content quite heavily, and would still rank above me. I&#x27;d name and shame them if I could remember who they were - there was a common small blog offender that would do it every single time and never cite back, and would rank higher every single time.<p>I was writing for a fairly well known, high-traffic and highly-ranked site that was about 14-15 years old. But Google News would de-rank it in favor of smaller blogs. It didn&#x27;t make sense and was quite disappointing.
throw7over 6 years ago
Google&#x27;s redesign of News was a piece of junk. It&#x27;s 100% based on &quot;social media&quot; and &quot;your browsing habits&quot;. That&#x27;s the opposite of &quot;News&quot;.<p>It&#x27;s also broken... disabling &quot;Open web pages in Google News&quot; actually opens the page in, you guessed it, Google News.
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euskeover 6 years ago
This is sad but hardly surprising. Google News is broken in the same way as a unregulated free market is broken. Basically, giant distributors control the whole market and only those who are big enough can survive. It&#x27;s sad because we lose small but independent players, which we actually need when it comes to news organization.<p>I think it is kinda hypocritical when you criticize big news organizations and keep using big news distributors like Google News. They&#x27;re not necessarily bad per se, but people should understand what&#x27;s really costing them.
Animatsover 6 years ago
OK, so let&#x27;s go to &quot;char.gd&quot;. The top story:<p>&quot;Featured read: Surface Go is proof that every computer needs LTE&quot;.<p>This is a &quot;news site&quot;?
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arbugeover 6 years ago
Google News is particularly broken when it comes to financial news. Searching for the name of any major company in there will bring up perhaps a couple or so of relevant articles, and a deluge of bot-generated drivel based on their publicly available metrics.
saagarjhaover 6 years ago
&gt; There&#x27;s no reason the public shouldn&#x27;t be able to see why a site was rejected, or whether it was approved, and the reasons about why -- let alone the publisher itself. Google has a responsibility to help publishers of all sizes, but right now, it&#x27;s hard to say that it&#x27;s really supporting anyone outside of the giants.<p>Every selection process is like this, unfortunately. Whether you&#x27;re applying for college or a job, telling you why you didn&#x27;t get selected not very common, for a variety of reasons. This has the side effect of keeping the process opaque too, but that&#x27;s how it is…
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lettergramover 6 years ago
I built my own AI curated news called <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lettergram.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lettergram.net</a><p>Basically, the entire idea is that the system identifies experts and rank content based on how often they discuss and share it. This filters out the fake news and produces significantly better results than most &quot;news curation&quot; systems out there.<p>Trouble for me Google News will send fake news, and is often based off of search results (as opposed to topics you decide to follow). This leaves me with news often unrelated to my interest and often more related to things I needed solutions for.<p>Further, I want stories <i>related to my interests</i>. For instance, I follow &quot;Iran&quot; I want topics related to items impact Iran, such as stories about Israel, Syria, etc.<p>Finally, there is no clear &quot;trigger&quot; for the article. It&#x27;s not based off some sentiment change in the topic or new trend (not just topic being discussed, but a spike in discussion, etc.). Hence, Lettergram.net can be configured to send on sentiment changes, trend changes, or on a schedule.<p>Finally, Google News is a product, they have perverse motives and (such as needing to be on boarded, which this post is about). Overall, I just couldn&#x27;t take it, so I built my own.
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ggmover 6 years ago
Does anyone else remember when Google said it would put un-constrained funds into independent news sources to ensure un-biassed independent news was available?<p>Did that stop? Did it work?
anonytraryover 6 years ago
I&#x27;m not saying the Google News feed is good, but it feels like 30% news, 70% &quot;here&#x27;s a random article you might be interested in based on your search and other history&quot;. For example, I googled a specific breed of dog to see what it looked like, and I saw an article about that dog breed in my Google News feed the same day or maybe the next day. Most of the content on the feed is stuff like that.
lsiebertover 6 years ago
The new android mobile news app is missing features I cared about in ways that are hostile to the user:<p>1. The ability to have any search term be a topic. I used to be able to have my own searches appear as a topic heading and auto populated, now the best I can do is have them be under saved searches which is itself two screens down on the favorites menu. 2. The ability to open links in a browser of my choice when clicked (I now have to click the menu for the story, select share, scroll over to my preferred browser (firefox focus) and click that. 3. The use of the Android share menu that you can customize... instead they force you to use their product specific share menu which I can&#x27;t edit. This wouldn&#x27;t be a big issue if it wasn&#x27;t for 2<p>If someone made a better google news client for android, I&#x27;d pay for it but I haven&#x27;t found anything like that.
tantalorover 6 years ago
char.gd appears to be a blog, not a news site.
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Angosturaover 6 years ago
Having had a quick look at the Char.gd homepage, has the author considered that Google doesn&#x27;t consider it a news source because it looks absolutely nothing like a news source and has precious little original news reporting?
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zwischenzugover 6 years ago
&#x27;One of the biggest frustrations I have today with the news industry is that it&#x27;s based on quantity more than anything else. Head over to Techcrunch or Huffington Post and there&#x27;s so much content coming out of these organizations that it&#x27;s impossible to keep up; my philosophy has been to publish only when there&#x27;s something worth saying as a result.<p>The problem, unfortunately, is that Google doesn&#x27;t think you&#x27;re a real publisher if you&#x27;re not writing content at that pace.&#x27;<p>FWIW I haven&#x27;t found that - my blog gets referrals from Google News even though I publish irregularly.
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mastaziover 6 years ago
&gt; a mysterious process with hidden rules, gotchas and changing goal posts, designed only to allow the largest, well-known of publishers in<p>I have also experienced, quite often, the opposite problem, i.e. very low quality sources creeping into my Google News feed. You know those clickbaity sources that primarily aim to create &quot;viral&quot; articles to be shared on Fb and other social media sites? That type of website. Especially in Google News&#x27; thematic sections, e.g. &quot;health&quot; or &quot;entertainment&quot; or &quot;technology&quot;. For this reason I now seldom visit Google News.
tethysover 6 years ago
I just did a (very quick) check and – at least here in Germany – the carousel brings up all kinds of sites that one would not consider traditional news outlets, e.g. mobiflip.de, stadt-bremerhaven.de and lostineu.eu. It also shows the more traditional (but also pretty new) news site watson.de, which launched in March 2018.<p>I feel like it&#x27;s not really hard to be generally approved by Google. What I know from my daily business: You have almost no chance in beating traditional media when it comes to really popular news topics like &quot;Angela Merkel&quot; or &quot;Brexit&quot;.
kevinwangover 6 years ago
Also, has Google newspaper archive closed? That was such a benefit to humanity, but I can&#x27;t find it anymore.
rdlecler1over 6 years ago
We run the industry leading news publication on food and agtech and Google has been shooting us down for five years. We have full time journalists, free lancers, guest posts from VCs, and we’ve interviewed CEO of major food and ag companies and carry all the breaking funding news. But Google News won’t index us. About six months ago tbey did decide to index a new publication run by a conference that has a lot of overlapping content. Very frustrating....
mrarjenover 6 years ago
&gt;&quot;We require fresh content in all sections of the edition<p>This explains perfectly why I&#x27;m seeing horribly outdated news as if it was submitted hours ago on my pixel google news feed feature... They most likely just slap a different time stamp on articles to make them seem &quot;fresh&quot;<p>Proper news is a scarce resource.
ravivyasover 6 years ago
The thing about google news is you need to be a news site. And at a scale where you can have a constantly updated news sitemap (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;publisher-center&#x2F;answer&#x2F;74288?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;publisher-center&#x2F;answer&#x2F;7428...</a>) where posts published in the last 48 hours is valid, rest is ignored by Google.<p>The problem Google news has is not everything is news, it is also gamed for PVs. Next time google does doodle, do a search, and their will be 100s or articles trying to get PVs from the &#x27;news&#x27; piece.<p>As @bduerst mentioned, you want it harder to get into Google news, not easier.<p>And frankly depending on the type of &quot;news&quot; you write, Google News won&#x27;t even be a great traffic source.
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wyldfireover 6 years ago
&gt; designed only to allow the largest, well-known of publishers in.<p>This seems like one effective method to combat fly-by-night &quot;publications&quot; that exist to spread falsehoods. It&#x27;s warfare.<p>Also this seems like it&#x27;s somewhat in line with the original idea behind PageRank.<p>But yes I would believe that it comes with drawbacks.
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AndrewKemendoover 6 years ago
Is it possible that you&#x27;re being ignored&#x2F;rejected in part because you have a .gd domain?<p>That sounds really dumb and petty, but for some reason it seems like something they would consider because people just instinctively look for .com
natchover 6 years ago
I give you points for writing well and not having the usual flaws. Maybe you could consolidate narrow topics into broader ones so each topic has new content each day. Think “tech” as a single topic instead of “Microsoft” and “Google” etc. as separate ones.<p>I would have said just give up because they are interested in big news sites, but they do include fake sources sometimes (or used to last time I looked) with lines like:<p>“The calamity of the day was highlight markered by insertion into the interest of massive public”<p>...which are obviously the result of some sort of gaming of the system. If Google could boot those out and include more real sites, that would be an improvement.
pX0rover 6 years ago
Right swipe and left swipe remove the item from the feed. Gives me i-taught-google-news-wrongly anxiety. News hell for the romfl!
franco18over 6 years ago
There are a few ways to it:<p>1. You need to be in Google&#x27;s News Publisher Center 2. You need to be regularly posting news on your website 3. You need to have your website AMP (this is must now) 4. Your website&#x27;s SEO should be powerful 5. There should be more and more people reading and spreading your news online
porpoiselyover 6 years ago
Now or 12 years ago? 12 years ago, it was the stories getting the most traction. It was mostly user driven, objective and fairly diverse. After the large news companies attacked google news many years ago, they essentially turned over the platform to major news companies ( NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, etc ).<p>One of the things that attracted me to google news when it first started was it&#x27;s broad, open and &quot;fair&quot;. You could genuinely find different news perspectives from different countries, news companies, etc.<p>After large news companies complained, Google &quot;localized&quot; the news and when that didn&#x27;t work, they essentially turned over the platform to &quot;authoritative&quot; sources.<p>The attacks on facebook are the same attacks the nytimes, wapo, cnn, etc used against google news. &quot;Propaganda&quot;, &quot;toxic&quot;, etc. Funny how they don&#x27;t complain about google news anymore when it is even more propagandistic and toxic than ever. When facebook agrees to start spamming nytimes, wapo, cnn, etc to their users, I bet the complaints will slowly die down.
ucaetanoover 6 years ago
TL;DR: Blogger with a low-readership blog (for internet standards) wants to be included in news carousel at the top of Google results but is rejected.<p>So Google News is broken.
tontoover 6 years ago
I have complained about this before but the &quot;swipe right&quot; news view on Android used to be nice but now it&#x27;s so hyper focused on returning results related to your latest Google search that it is really annoying..
wnevetsover 6 years ago
Google news is one instance where I wished google spied on me more. For some reason its always recommending stories I care absolutely nothing about like soccer players being traded or small town news stories from the midwest.
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macawfishover 6 years ago
By writing a trash piece, according to my resrarch
sys_64738over 6 years ago
Maybe Google News is in a death spiral towards cancellation.
blakesterzover 6 years ago
It&#x27;s broken for me in a different, far less important way. I can&#x27;t get the darn &quot;For you Recommended based on your interests&quot; section to stop showing me stupid stories about dumb things I searched one time for 2 years ago. No matter how many times I&#x27;ve told it to &quot;show me fewer stories about this&quot; or &quot;more stories about this&quot; it&#x27;s still news that&#x27;s just total garbage. Singers, TV Shows, music, pointless crap I don&#x27;t care anything about.<p>I search Google News all the time for stories on security, and books, and libraries, and it almost never recommends stories on things I&#x27;m actually interested in.<p>Kind of amazing just how bad that algorithm is. Really not a big deal, I&#x27;m just surprised at how bad Google can fail at something that seems so easy.
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ereyes01over 6 years ago
I used to love Google News&#x27;s customizable sections- I would set those to Spanish-language international sections from other countries, and the different perspective was really refreshing and informative compared to what you see in the US International section.<p>Since the last re-design, Google News seemingly dropped the customization, and has devolved into an endless toxic carousel of US-slanted political opinion in most sections, half of which seem to come from pay-walled sources. I have lost all control of what I want to read, and instead have to rely on their opaque feed, most of which I&#x27;m not actually that interested in (I can only take so much politics).<p>Does anyone know of an alternative that&#x27;s more like the Google News of old?
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rfdearbornover 6 years ago
My biggest criticisms of Google News are:<p>1) low signal-to-noise ratio - i.e., lots of duplicative stories, publishers are commoditized, and there are no mechanisms to distinguish (and reward!) high quality content<p>2) paywalls and&#x2F;or extreme ad loads lurking everywhere<p>3) local news is a second-class citizen<p>4) lack of user control in customizing topics, while at the same time all the (uncontrollable) targeted &quot;for you&quot; stories tend to overfit (e.g., Google seems to think tech news and the Patriots are all I care about)<p>In general I&#x27;m extremely dissatisfied with the functionality of available news products and with the consequences of attention-optimized digital news media on our world. There&#x27;s a lot of data which indicates most people feel some degree of similarly [1][2][3][4] and I think there&#x27;s opportunity and demand for creating better.<p>As such, last summer I set out to build Gatherscope - a news ecosystem designed from first principles to serve readers and sustain quality journalism. At the moment, the high-level plan is:<p>1) build an aggregator layer that&#x27;s differentiated in the breadth, depth, quality, and customizability of content that&#x27;s surfaced and in applying machine clustering and summarization to make it faster and easier for busy consumers to digest what current events are happening, see varying perspectives about them, go deeper where worthwhile, and then get on with their lives<p>2) stack other layers around this - either by building them or through 3rd party relationships - to further deliver a rich, insightful, frictionless UX (e.g., bundled multi-publisher subscriptions, community quality review, synthesized audio, contextual search and feedback loops, publisher tools for local journalists)…these should all work independently but best together<p>Today there&#x27;s a (quite-rough) MVP of part 1 live at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gatherscope.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gatherscope.com</a> and a very long way to go :)<p>All this to say: if any of this sounds interesting and&#x2F;or you have strong, thoughtful opinions about news media, I&#x27;d love to hear from you. I&#x27;ve recently begun a hunt for collaborators, and even if that&#x27;s not for you it would be good to hear how to build you a useful product faster.<p>Cheers,<p>Rob<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digitalnewsreport.org&#x2F;survey&#x2F;2018&#x2F;overview-key-findings-2018&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digitalnewsreport.org&#x2F;survey&#x2F;2018&#x2F;overview-key-fi...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;fact-tank&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;almost-seven-in-ten-americans-have-news-fatigue-more-among-republicans&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;fact-tank&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;almost-seven...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewglobal.org&#x2F;2018&#x2F;01&#x2F;11&#x2F;publics-globally-want-unbiased-news-coverage-but-are-divided-on-whether-their-news-media-deliver&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewglobal.org&#x2F;2018&#x2F;01&#x2F;11&#x2F;publics-globally-want-un...</a><p>[4] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;fact-tank&#x2F;2018&#x2F;07&#x2F;30&#x2F;newsroom-employment-dropped-nearly-a-quarter-in-less-than-10-years-with-greatest-decline-at-newspapers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;fact-tank&#x2F;2018&#x2F;07&#x2F;30&#x2F;newsroom-emp...</a>
camjohnson26over 6 years ago
Google News was the trigger for me to start moving away from Google platforms because of privacy concerns. It felt wrong to scan the results and have something catch your eye only to remember you were looking at something similar earlier in the day. Customization may be good for some areas but seems dangerous for news.<p>The other shocker for me was when they released a way to view your historical location. I had had no idea that the app was tracking my daily commute for the previous year, and it was enough to make me switch to DuckDuckGo.
rinchikover 6 years ago
Well looks like OP&#x27;s site as well. Just check the news.G, looks fine.
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