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Everywhere and Nowhere: A Journey Through Suicide

48 pointsby gringoDanover 6 years ago

9 comments

UI_at_80x24over 6 years ago
To be human is the ability to defy our instincts. From the simplistic &quot;I choose not to eat&quot;, to the extraordinary &quot;I choose to end my life.&quot;<p>I strongly believe that suicide is only a cultural taboo, and thus it is &#x27;safe&#x27; to label it as a mental illness.<p>I have struggled with wanting to end my life for 35+ years. &quot;Talking about it&quot; does not work. Medication&#x2F;Meditation&#x2F;Mediation has not helped. To put it simply; I do not wish to exist.<p>I tried to kill myself once. [Dammit i suck at everything! &#x2F;joke] Not a single day goes by where I don&#x27;t think about doing it again. I regret failing.<p>And yet I get up and go to work every day. There is a momentum to living. It is just a habit. I take no pleasure from my hobbies. I no longer have solace within peace and quiet. I am unable to escape in the written word.<p>If I could end my life and know my family would be cared for financially I would in a heartbeat. My obligations keep me alive, and it is a torture.<p>I am surrounded by people who love me, and would be devastated by my death.<p>As near as I can tell, this is the meaning of life; and I want it to end.
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Razenganover 6 years ago
I believe suicide should be seen as a beautiful release for some people.<p>It&#x27;s twisted and bizarre that this is such a taboo in human society, almost globally (I appreciate exceptions like Dignitas [0] in Switzerland.)<p>Why do we endorse &quot;My Body, My Choice&quot; when it comes to decisions like abortion, but take that choice away when it comes to suicide?<p>Why is the termination of life support for terminal patients seen as a mercy, but vehemently denied when someone who is otherwise healthy rationally chooses to die?<p>What if someone is simply bored with life? Would you force someone to play a game they don&#x27;t enjoy, or can&#x27;t ever win at?<p>I&#x27;m afraid suicide may never be universally accepted as a human right, for primarily these two reasons:<p>1: It acknowledges the possibility that life is pointless, which threatens many of our entrenched belief systems.<p>2: Money. If people could cleanly (without pain, guilt, taboo etc.) end their life anytime they want, it could seriously disrupt the economy. When people are no longer forced to live, many industries would make less money than they do (finance, healthcare, therapy, anything that relies on cheap labor, and so on.)<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dignitas.ch" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dignitas.ch</a>
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jfover 6 years ago
A list of suicide hotlines are available here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;SuicideWatch&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;hotlines" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;SuicideWatch&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;hotlines</a><p>Here are the numbers for the United States:<p>National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-8255 (TALK) Veterans press 1 to reach specialised support.<p>Online Chat: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chat.suicidepreventionlifeline.org&#x2F;GetHelp&#x2F;LifelineCh.." rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chat.suicidepreventionlifeline.org&#x2F;GetHelp&#x2F;LifelineCh...</a>.<p>Crisis Text Line: Text &quot;START&quot; to 741-741<p>Youth-Specific services (voice&#x2F;text&#x2F;chat&#x2F;email) from the Boys&#x27; Town National Hotline: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.yourlifeyourvoice.org&#x2F;Pages&#x2F;ways-to-get-help.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.yourlifeyourvoice.org&#x2F;Pages&#x2F;ways-to-get-help.aspx</a><p>Spanish: 1-800-SUICIDA
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Simulacraover 6 years ago
Related, something that really hit me and this community hard on suicide: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;the-agonizing-last-words-of-programmer-bill-zeller-5726667" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;the-agonizing-last-words-of-programmer-b...</a>
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towaway1138over 6 years ago
If this is a problem for you, as it is for me, you might find the depression and suicide groups on reddit to be some solace.<p>Beyond that, I think of suicide as more of something to put off than something to &quot;cure&quot;. What can you do to put it off for a bit longer? Sometimes distraction, sometimes drinking, sometimes just getting out into nature somehow.<p>There&#x27;s a lot to be said for detaching completely from poisonous people and environments. You might think that you can&#x27;t leave your awful job, declare bankruptcy, or never talk to your mother again, but you can. And maybe you should.<p>One thing to consider is the subjective acceleration of time. We all experience that each year seems to pass quicker than the one before, for the most part. I realized at some point that this makes suicide a lot less urgent, at least at my age (50s). Putting it glibly, we&#x27;ll all be dead soon enough--what&#x27;s the hurry?
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chris_wotover 6 years ago
The problem with recovering from suicidal thoughts is not the fact you wanted to commit suicide. It is how the emergency and health services treat you.<p>For a long time now, they have been putting people in seclusion, traumatizing a lot of people. They take away any autonomy, and the ED staff literally don&#x27;t care about you - they are too busy dealing with critical cases and they see you as a waste of resources and an annoyance to be dealing with. Ironically, if you want to leave you won&#x27;t be allowed to.<p>It&#x27;s perverse and disgusting. I strongly recommend speaking to family and friends and do NOT call the police, ambulance or any other official service. And whatever you do, you do not call suicide hotlines - they must call the police if they think you are about to commit suicide so they aren&#x27;t confidential, despite what they claim.
the_jeremyover 6 years ago
Also pro-suicide legalisation, also recommend anything but telling authorities (hotlines, therapists) about a full suicide plan. Being stuck in a mental health hold for a week does nothing to help anyone, especially given the abysmal state of many of these facilities.
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cleandreamsover 6 years ago
Nobody seems to have read this article although many people seem to identify with the topic because of their own suicidal feelings. I found the article very moving and I learned a lot about suicidal illness. The article is brutally honest. I understood how it could be that a person would not think about the pain their suicide would cause. I appreciated the amount of hopelessness and pain the author was in. One thing that is clear is that his pain is his mother&#x27;s pain is his sister&#x27;s pain is his family&#x27;s pain... It&#x27;s a large and complex family system, that has beget this suicidal person. It gave me a lot of compassion.
pdfernhoutover 6 years ago
See also: Out of the Nightmare: Recovery from Depression and Suicidal Pain by David Conroy <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Out-Nightmare-Recovery-Depression-Suicidal&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0595414974&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Out-Nightmare-Recovery-Depression-Sui...</a><p>&quot;Out of the Nightmare. An all-out assault on the barriers that stand between you and recovery from depression and suicidal pain. decomposes recovery from depression into recovery from envy, shame, self-pity, grandiosity, fear, stigma, social abuse, and the double binds and vicious circles of the mythology of suicide. A drug-free approach to getting better and staying better. This book provides counselors with a bold new non-technical framework that is free from the prejudices that deter the suicidal from seeking help. It provides those who have lost a loved one to suicide with a broad array of new conceptual tools to understand the tragedy and to find help for stuck positions of bereavement. Most importantly, it provides all those who suffer from depression with hundreds of resources to find their way out of the nightmare.&quot;<p>A suicide by an employee or within the families of employees touches many lives and can significantly impact productivity. Along with advice for suicidal individuals, the book includes suggestion for first responders, counselors, friends, and those who sadly are survivors of someone else&#x27;s suicide. A major focus of the book includes deconstructing harmful ideas surrounding how people often think about or respond to those who have suicidal ideation and suggesting a more effective way of thinking about suicide prevention called the aggregate pain model.<p>Some key ideas from the book are summarized here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.metanoia.org&#x2F;suicide&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.metanoia.org&#x2F;suicide&#x2F;index.html</a><p>&quot;Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain. That&#x27;s all it&#x27;s about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed, because you feel suicidal. It doesn&#x27;t even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights... no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course you would cheer yourself up, if you could. Don&#x27;t accept it if someone tells you, &quot;That&#x27;s not enough to be suicidal about.&quot; There are many kinds of pain that may lead to suicide. Whether or not the pain is bearable may differ from person to person. What might be bearable to someone else, may not be bearable to you. The point at which the pain becomes unbearable depends on what kinds of coping resources you have. Individuals vary greatly in their capacity to withstand pain. When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources. You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.&quot;<p>One of the fundamental challenges in an organization or society is to destigmatize asking for help to avoid the classic dilemma those with suicidal thoughts face when they expect asking for help will only increase their pain from whatever reactions occur -- such as job loss or being ejected from a university community. By reconceptualizing suicide as an involuntary action that occurs when total pain exceeds resources for coping with pain, David Conroy provides a morally neutral way for organizations and society to think about suicide prevention in a productive way. Rather than focus mainly on intervening in a crisis, organizations can rethink their operations to reduce participant pain and to increase coping resources. This helps everyone in the organization, not just those who have reached a threshold where pain is very close to coping resources. Early intervention is much cheaper and more successful than waiting for a crisis. This model shows how organizations can approach suicide intervention in hundreds of way. One of those ways is also making people aware of success stories where individuals overcame depression and related suicidal thoughts.<p>Aggregate pain includes physical pain, emotional pain, and social pain. Reducing pain in any area by even a small amount may bring a person below a threshold for suicide. Similarly there are many types of coping resources from interacting with a friend, to going to a funny movie, to receiving adequate health care, to interacting with a pet. There are also some short-term coping strategies like denial or drinking which may have long-term negative consequences that become new sources of pain when done to excess.<p>More coping methods for transcending depression can be found in books listed here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;pdfernhout&#x2F;High-Performance-Organizations-Reading-List" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;pdfernhout&#x2F;High-Performance-Organizations...</a><p>(Posted in memory of Robin Rochlin Cooperman -- a good friend from college who became a psychiatrist to help people who had mental illness and related challenges. I dearly wish she was still around for many reasons -- including to discuss such books with.)
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