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The 2 Simple Reasons the Soviet Union Was Doomed to Fail

86 pointsby tvorrynover 14 years ago

10 comments

elblancoover 14 years ago
A fun bit of history I learned from a retired Soviet Analyst...My analyst friend learned of this years later from his Russian counterpart, after finally being allowed to visit the country he had studied for so long so I'm guessing it's pretty accurate.<p>Sometime in the 80's, the Soviets brought in some Japanese industrial consultants as part of a modernization push for Soviet factories -- they had started to become aware that the sophistication of their industrial capabilities had more or less stagnated somewhere in the 1940's or 50's. Feeling pressure from an increasingly sophisticated U.S. and Europe, they wanted to know what it would take to catch up with the Japanese, then widely considered to have the best, most sophisticated manufacturing processes in the world.<p>The consultants came and toured some of the major manufacturing cities and facilities, taking notes, interviewing workers and managers, testing final output and raw materials quality, crunching numbers, analyzing the supply chain, that sort of thing. Finally they met with the Soviet leadership in Sverdlovsk (now Yekaterinburg), home of some of the major industrial capacity of the Union.<p>After reviewing the findings for several hours, one of the Soviets, impatient with all the details finally spoke up, "yes yes yes...we know all this...what we want to know is, how long will it take, if we put all of our national resources behind it (meaning, a space race level effort), for us to catch up with the Japanese?"<p>Their reply?<p>"Forever"<p>Their analysis revealed that the systemic and social issues in the Soviet Union (as well as a combination of material resources and other odds and ends) were so bad, that no matter how much effort the Soviets put into upgrading their manufacturing processes, and no matter how long they put that effort forward, the Japanese would always be ahead.<p>The consultants were quickly rushed out of the country and the study was never spoken of again.<p>Within the decade, the Union had fallen and it was all a moot point anyway.
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forintiover 14 years ago
I'm not advocating communism, but if you look at the Soviet Union as a process, it did manage to turn an agrarian society (feudal, actually) into an industrialized one in 70 years. It's quite a feat, even more so if you consider the destruction they suffered in WWII.
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iwrover 14 years ago
The inevitable failure happened not because of particular details that the central planners disregarded, but because there WERE planners in the first place. The market has a network-optimality aspect to it that a monolithic institution cannot replicate.<p>Read more: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem</a>
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ThomPeteover 14 years ago
There is a theory (can't remember where I head or read it) that one of the main reasons the soviet union fell apart was that the number of phones installed in private homes increased to a point where it was impossible for the KGB to monitor and therefore to suppress with propaganda.<p>I have tried to see if I could find any numbers on phone installations up to the fall but haven't found any.<p>Also according to one of the main KGB execs the SDI program was when they realized that they weren't able to compete with the US anymore.<p>Ironically the SDI project besides from it being impossible to implement, had it been fully implemented, it would have cribbled the US economy too.<p>There is also a nice quite from Arthur C. Clarke about the SDI project in which he observed that any system as powerful as the vision of the SDI project would be more dangerous in itself than the dangers it was supposed to protect against.
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arethuzaover 14 years ago
Richard Rhodes book "The Arsenals of Folly" covers the lead up to the fall of the Soviet Union from the perspective of the leaders negotiating to reduce levels of nuclear weapons. It also covers some of the fundamental economic problems the Soviets had:<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Arsenals-Folly-Making-Nuclear-Vintage/dp/0375713948" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Arsenals-Folly-Making-Nuclear-Vintage/...</a>
lionheartedover 14 years ago
Good article, misleading title. Lots of interesting information.<p>The article is fairly serious, but has some dry humor mixed in. This line was the funniest:<p>&#62; In the 1970s and early 1980s, the Soviet leadership, however, was not intellectually prepared to heed lessons from the School of Salamanca. The shortest quotation about the intellectual capacity of the Soviet leadership came from the Politburo minutes: "Mr. Zasiadko has stopped binge drinking. Resolution: nominate Mr. Zasiadko as a minister to Ukraine."
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protomythover 14 years ago
One of the lessons of the USSR, your leader saying something is so and shooting / exiling everyone who says different does not make for a prosperous, sustainable government.
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johngaltover 14 years ago
1. Socialism 2. Totalitarianism
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listicover 14 years ago
Yegor Gaidar's book is on Amazon:<p>"Collapse of an Empire: Lessons for Modern Russia" <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Empire-Lessons-Modern-Russia/dp/0815731140/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Empire-Lessons-Modern-Russia/...</a><p>The description and reviews are very comprehensive.
petercooperover 14 years ago
Fixed prices and a layer of red tape that caused resources not to be managed efficiently.