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Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbon payment from Norway

315 pointsby ammaristotleover 6 years ago

12 comments

maaaatsover 6 years ago
&gt; In 2010, Norway pledged to support Indonesia with up to 1 billion USD depending on results.<p>It&#x27;s easy to sit in a developed western country, buying products from other countries, and then complain about their emissions. I&#x27;m glad that we&#x27;re trying to be responsible. It may not be enough or not the right way to do it (some thoughts on this?), but it&#x27;s something.
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duopixelover 6 years ago
When I first moved to Europe I was struck by just how domesticated the land is. I can sleep in the open without being afraid of snakes, scorpions, spiders, wolves or bears. Even when land is &quot;wild&quot;, the larger mammals will be rabbits, deer, wild goats and such. Excepting natural parks, hunters are the only predators.<p>At least in Spain, a tremendous percentage of land is put at the service of mankind. The dehesas give cork, honey, acorns to feed the pigs, and grass for the cattle.<p>The situation where developing countries need to conserve their land in a natural state in the interest of biodiversity and climate reminds me a game of Civilization where you are no longer allowed to exploit them to your advantage (with good reason!). We need to keep this land intact, but the only way to do it is to make conservation more valuable than exploitation.
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75dvtwinover 6 years ago
I am yet to see an example of corruption-free model converting environment impact reduction (or increase) in to monetary credit or (debit).<p>&quot;..<p>To offset their own carbon emissions, European companies have been overpaying China to incinerate a powerful greenhouse gas known as hfc 23.<p>And in a bizarre twist, those payments have spurred the manufacture of a harmful refrigerant that is being smuggled into the U.S. and used illegally.<p>…&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;e360.yale.edu&#x2F;features&#x2F;perverse_co2_payments_send_flood_of_money_to_china" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;e360.yale.edu&#x2F;features&#x2F;perverse_co2_payments_send_fl...</a>
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hannobover 6 years ago
It&#x27;s a start, though obviously if we want to be serious about deforestation we need much more of this.<p>A somewhat similar initiative regarding the Yasuni rainforest in Equador unfortunately went nowhere a couple of years ago because rich countries weren&#x27;t willing enough to pay.
aboutrubyover 6 years ago
Wouldn&#x27;t that push countries to cut a lot of trees to then have the highest bidder willing to reduce carbon emissions pay a premium?
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Pxtlover 6 years ago
Good on Norway for living up to their promises. There are a lot of places I&#x27;d expect to welch on this kind of deal.
spacecrew5over 6 years ago
Indonesia has been doing better with the enviroment in recent years, probably thanks to international pressure and incentives such as this. Anything which maintains Indonesia&#x27;s biodiversity is good to see.
outside1234over 6 years ago
How about Norway just stop pumping oil to reduce our carbon footprint?
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spsrichover 6 years ago
Norwegian taxpayer funds sent direct to Indonesian politicians Swiss bank accounts. Marvellous !
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O_H_Eover 6 years ago
Looks like a great way to incitive developing countries to reduce their emissions. Although when the developing countries&#x27; tax payer start complaining, it&#x27;s going to be hard to defend these expenditures.
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indothrowawayover 6 years ago
forcing us on halmahera to not allow clearing for farm land and need to import more food to our island. rely on boats that sometimes dont come.
porpoiselyover 6 years ago
Considering all the money norway got to pay indonesia came from selling oil, this is really nothing more than a billion dollar PR exercise. Not to mention that in a globalized world, the deforestation will ultimately get shifted somewhere else.<p>Just like europe loves to pretend it is lowering emissions when it&#x27;s just shifting manufacturing to china, norway loves to pretend to be environmenally friendly with its oil money.<p>If europe or norway truly cared about emissions or the environment, they&#x27;d end global trade and drilling for oil, but they aren&#x27;t going to give up their luxurious first world lifestyle are they?<p>Edit: To everyone downvoting, how about this scenario. We give norway $1 billion for them to shut down their oil rigs? Surely norway will sacrifice their economic wealth and prosperity to help the environment right? Or do we only expect that from poor countries?
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