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Ask HN: Would You Accept a Trial/Exploratory Week Before Joining a Company?

13 pointsby FrankZappa42over 6 years ago
Survey form: https://goo.gl/forms/6Sf7CqZyRBd9w96V2

15 comments

slap_shotabout 6 years ago
No. Good candidates don&#x27;t want or need this. Like every other job-related product or service, this is optimizing for the employer, not the employee.<p>It&#x27;s a engineer&#x27;s market right now. Find ways to make it easier for them.<p>Last year I piloted a project where I paid engineers ~$375 for 4 or 5 hours to work through code with me. By the end of it, if they were an engineer I would work with, I would recommend them to a select group of companies that I felt were the best places to work (great product, team, environment). The condition was that when I referred an engineer, they must be considered to have already passed the technical interview. At that point, they were simply there to see if they were a cultural fit and talk tech. Maybe some light technical questions, no white boarding or trivia.<p>This afforded the candidates the ability to fast track to the final round of an interview with 5-6 companies. And they got paid to do it.<p>It worked remarkably well, all parties loved, and it to this day I still get emails from companies and candidates asking if I&#x27;m still doing it. Alas, I a full-time founder and cannot do that anymore.<p>But should anyone want to take my idea, I can assure there is a demand for it, and it pays incredibly well.
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butteredpopcornover 6 years ago
If this is your idea: This is a weird, bad deal for the applicant. Only desperate people will put up with the hassle and the insult. I predict you will be shocked when these desperate candidates are not as good as you wanted. Please do not take advantage of vulnerability any more than the world already is.<p>If someone’s suggesting it to you: You deserve better.
raviojhaover 6 years ago
Am I getting this wrong, or did everyone else in thread got it wrong? Is the question more from candidate point of view, whether to join a company if you enjoy working for the trial period?<p>If my assumption is correct, the candidate will fall in this situation if they didn&#x27;t already clear up the expectations, roles and responsibility before&#x2F;during the interview. A friend of mine recently found himself in a situation where they decided to quit after working for less than 2 weeks at an early stage startup. He ended up quitting by the end of the month.<p>I believe it&#x27;s a shared responsibility to clear up such things before making an offer (from company&#x27;s POV) or accepting an offer (from candidate&#x27;s POV). This situation doesn&#x27;t help either party.
blastbeatover 6 years ago
Personally no, because that&#x27;s what the 6 month trial period is for in Germany. On the other hand, I rejected offers which required this, and I know quite a few stories from friends where it was required too. In the end it depends on how bad you want&#x2F;need the job.
sethammonsover 6 years ago
If I were unemployed, probably. If I were employed, absolutely not: I&#x27;m not going to violate my employment contract nor risk vacation time. Also, top performers are rarely unemployed.
NonEUCitizenover 6 years ago
Yes, if it comes with a signing bonus equivalent to 6 months&#x27; pay, wired to my bank account before the first day of the 1-week trial. The 1-week trial itself also has to be paid.
b_t_sover 6 years ago
This feels like something that is only remotely feasible for contractors or recent grads living with their parents. The interview process is enough of a logistical PITA for most of us. Extending it to a week is comically stupid. Besides, we already have one week trial periods in the USA. It&#x27;s called at will employment. It would be nice to say take a month and try out 4 companies before making a move, but I can&#x27;t see how that would ever work for your average senior dev with a job, kids, and a mortgage payment.
phonebansheeabout 6 years ago
The American phrase for this is contract-to-hire. You hire someone on a short-term hourly basis, with the understanding that this is a trial period that can be easily terminated by either side.<p>The huge downside for the employer is that you&#x27;re never going to hire away anyone from another company, so you&#x27;re pretty much cutting out anyone who isn&#x27;t very junior.
asdfajlkjover 6 years ago
Been asked before. Said no immediately. Got the job.<p>If they ask that means you are good enough for the job.
alexgmcmover 6 years ago
How are people supposed to do this unless they are unemployed?<p>Don&#x27;t probation periods already exist?
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marssaxmanover 6 years ago
Of course not. Where would I get the week? I&#x27;d have to burn vacation time. I&#x27;m not going to come join your company unless I really want to work with you.
vkakuabout 6 years ago
I certainly would. It&#x27;s often about discovering the actual people in the company more than advertised culture or engineering skills.
perfunctoryover 6 years ago
If it is paid, absolutely.
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hhsabout 6 years ago
This would be an interesting study to do, prospectively. I&#x27;d be interested in collecting measures for both sides. By the way, some universities do this during &quot;shopping week&quot;.
toomuchtodoover 6 years ago
Absolutely not worth the time.