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Generating More of My Favorite Aphex Twin Track

451 pointsby sajidabout 6 years ago

51 comments

Frickenabout 6 years ago
There&#x27;s a nice website with a clean UI called &#x27;Music for programming&#x27;, put together by a guy who curates playlists designed to compliment anyone who wants to buckle down and do deep focus creative work for a while. I&#x27;ve been through each of his 53 playlists several times. &#x27;Asiatsana&#x27; is one track in one playlist, but the music overall is very much in keeping with the mood and tone of Asiatsana.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;musicforprogramming.net&#x2F;?fortyfive" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;musicforprogramming.net&#x2F;?fortyfive</a>
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haywirezabout 6 years ago
For musicians and devs, it&#x27;s a good hint that Markov chains are &quot;good enough&quot; for most interesting music applications, ML&#x2F;AI doesn&#x27;t typically yield better results. Happy to see this on the front page!
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glitcherabout 6 years ago
On a side note, saw a nice write-up celebrating the recent 25th anniversary of Selected Ambient Works Volume II:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.residentadvisor.net&#x2F;reviews&#x2F;23648" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.residentadvisor.net&#x2F;reviews&#x2F;23648</a><p>I feel like that album has a lot of potential for generative experiments. Admittedly, the album has an over-arching tone of eeriness throughout, which isn&#x27;t something I want to listen to while I work most days. Maybe it would be inspiring to game developers working in the horror genre :)
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fb03about 6 years ago
If you guys enjoy generative music, you should try Sunvox.<p>The author has created a js library which you can use to play .sunvox files in it, it is pretty nice too.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.warmplace.ru&#x2F;soft&#x2F;sunvox&#x2F;jsplay&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.warmplace.ru&#x2F;soft&#x2F;sunvox&#x2F;jsplay&#x2F;</a><p>try &#x27;machine 005&#x27;. I&#x27;ve been using it for coding lately.
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Graham24about 6 years ago
&quot;Selected Ambient Works 85-92&quot; is a quality product.
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prependabout 6 years ago
Thanks for writing this and spending the time to break down and explain how you did it.<p>I’m not the biggest apex twin fan, but I’ve followed him for a few decades and always liked his visual and audio tricks mixed into his music. I feel like he would enjoy the idea of an infinite track and hope he responds somehow.<p>Are there any file formats that allow generative music so I can download this and play in a non-internet connected situation?
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spacemadnessabout 6 years ago
In knowing the original track very well, I find this version fascinating but also frustrating to listen to. It really emphasizes for me the importance of well thought out note placement and timing and the connection throughout, especially in minimalist pieces. This might sound pompous, but it&#x27;s like the original seeks to tell a story, but this version is like pulling words and phrases out of a hat; the emotional payoff doesn&#x27;t exist for me. I hope that&#x27;s not discouraging in any way, as I think this type of experimentation should be celebrated and the writeup is excellent. I&#x27;m only speaking of what effect this has on me tied to this particular piece of music.
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Jaepaabout 6 years ago
Doom from 2016 had this really cool feature in it where the music was procedurally adaptive based on the context of the game. When you were getting into a battle the music would mutate and become a lot more aggressive. Small fights would be different from big hairy fights. Ending a fight on low health would be different from leaving it unscathed.<p>For long time I&#x27;ve always thought it would be great to have something that had a similar effect based on text input speed.<p>Situations like getting into a massive battle, or leaving a battle with low health would have the music mutate to
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pimeysabout 6 years ago
Seems to go more to the direction what Autechre is doing nowadays. I&#x27;d recommend to have a listen to the NTS Sessions if you feel adventurous...
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NelsonMinarabout 6 years ago
Generative music comes full circle. This side of Aphex Twin is more or less directly inspired by Brian Eno&#x27;s Music for Aiports. Which itself comes out of Eno&#x27;s generative music experiments.
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seszettabout 6 years ago
Although I like the result, I find the track less soothing without the birds in the background. There&#x27;s probably a way to generate those as well though, I suppose.
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xtagonabout 6 years ago
Reminds me of the Infinite Jukebox: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;infinitejukebox.playlistmachinery.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;infinitejukebox.playlistmachinery.com&#x2F;</a>
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jxdxbxabout 6 years ago
This is very cool. My personal favorite Aphex track is Donkey Rhubarb if you&#x27;re feeling ambitious.
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yawabout 6 years ago
There are a number of languages &#x2F; environments to help with the creation of generative music under the umbrella term &#x27;live coding&#x27; - the community also tries to keep the performance aspects of music intact.<p>Lots of great starting points at: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;toplap&#x2F;awesome-livecoding" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;toplap&#x2F;awesome-livecoding</a>
voolabout 6 years ago
As if aisatsana was not beautiful enough, it was first performed in London&#x27;s Barbican Centre in 2012, on a suspended grand piano, swinging in the air !<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=NJHsT8kEyzs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=NJHsT8kEyzs</a>
jugg1esabout 6 years ago
I really love Aphex&#x27;s piano tracks. So intimate that you can hear the pedal shifting in the background.
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xitriumabout 6 years ago
How do you feel about Alberto Balsam? :)
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spiralganglionabout 6 years ago
Generative.fm was shared here last week, spawning a number of interesting discussions. If you enjoy the comments here, I suggest checking out that thread.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19397817" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19397817</a>
chasehaabout 6 years ago
I find that perfectly quantized tracks sound artificial over time. Not sure how close “aisatsana” sticks to perfectly on-(half)-beat, but adding slightly random quantization offsets to each generated note could be interesting to lend the results a more &quot;natural&quot; sound
theon144about 6 years ago
Nice! Simple, but works out super nicely :) Even the occasional odd note doesn&#x27;t seem too out of place, since the phrases are short and &quot;self-contained&quot;.<p>I also enjoyed the rest of the pieces on generative.fm, they all have a specific &quot;character&quot; which is quite rare. Nice work!
Uptrendaabout 6 years ago
It&#x27;s a beautiful piece and you&#x27;ve done it justice OP. Just wanted to say that.
post_breakabout 6 years ago
Just pop it into paul stretch and convert it into an hour long masterpiece. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=1saQ7KLbDUY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=1saQ7KLbDUY</a>
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shaftwayabout 6 years ago
This seems very similar to what the Infinite Jukebox does. Granted, it uses the straight audio, so it&#x27;s more well suited to pop music. But here&#x27;s the link for this track: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;infinitejukebox.playlistmachinery.com&#x2F;?trid=TRIMVDB14AFE744C52" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;infinitejukebox.playlistmachinery.com&#x2F;?trid=TRIMVDB14...</a>
ronjouchabout 6 years ago
Not generative, but of interest if you like that: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;musicforprogramming.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;musicforprogramming.net&#x2F;</a>
n_sonicabout 6 years ago
This is excellent. Thank you so much for sharing (and it&#x27;s certainly a track that I&#x27;ve also wished was longer!) I&#x27;d be interested to see if this approach can be implemented within a DAW? This would allow the notes to be played and then treated with FX, EQ and mastering (or maybe just some sound design to get it sounding even closer to the original)? At a push, one could run the output of the browser through the DAW I suppose :)
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bartcobainabout 6 years ago
Reminds me of this Bandcamp user makes some really cool Sci-Fi ambient loops, this one is a Blade Runner ambient loop: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cheesynirvosa.bandcamp.com&#x2F;track&#x2F;blade-runner-ambient-deckards-apartment-sound-also-in-the-movie-alien" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cheesynirvosa.bandcamp.com&#x2F;track&#x2F;blade-runner-ambien...</a><p>I think something like this would be awesome in generative.
runjakeabout 6 years ago
As an aside, if you like the track discussed in the article, check out Brian Eno&#x27;s ambient work [1].<p>This track is a very obvious homage to Eno (and that&#x27;s great).<p>Coincidentally, Eno and Richard James are both into generative music and I have little doubt they&#x27;ll be taking a peek at this article.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0TSJbT_NWUY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0TSJbT_NWUY</a>
danetabout 6 years ago
I tend to listen to ambient music. There&#x27;s radio show on CBC radio 2 -- After Dark, that plays tunes with not too many lyrics.
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8bitsruleabout 6 years ago
One tactic to roll your own is time-stretching. A useful and fun algo (since tamed in 1999) is the phase vocoder. Especially nice for instruments with rich spectrums.<p>Example work (1986) Wishart&#x27;s <i>Vox 5</i>. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=y23kobWHs8M" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=y23kobWHs8M</a>
haastedabout 6 years ago
Great article. Is an extended edition of aisatsana available for download anywhere, or is it only available through generative.fm?
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marstallabout 6 years ago
This piece reminds me of Harold Budd&#x27;s album &quot;The Pearl&quot; (1984)! Which is 42 minutes long - so another way to approach the same problem :) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.spotify.com&#x2F;album&#x2F;5SSf6lNbSoaAUx6PxQVjlP" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.spotify.com&#x2F;album&#x2F;5SSf6lNbSoaAUx6PxQVjlP</a>
logotypeabout 6 years ago
For the last 11 years I’ve been listening to autechre exclusively. Maybe that’s weird, but it’s all the sounds I need :)
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Sendotshabout 6 years ago
As an Aphex Twin fan and someone very interested in procedurally generated music, this is absolutely brilliant.
octosphereabout 6 years ago
I always think a bit of drum and bass will start playing at any moment listening to this[0]. Aphex Twin&#x27;s music is so random at times<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3_MRe3JwFc8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3_MRe3JwFc8</a>
ozzyman700about 6 years ago
What is a good way to go about working with a new JS library? I only have used Python, Java, and C#. All the tutorials I find on tone.js just include the js code but not information on how to link the library.<p>I would like to play around but getting the dev environment has stumped me.
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failrateabout 6 years ago
Sonic PI is an excellent programming tool that lets you do this sort of thong with relative ease.
barbsabout 6 years ago
That&#x27;s so awesome. It&#x27;d be nice to have the bird noises in the background as well though I guess this would be tricky if it&#x27;s using MIDI to play the music.<p>I guess I could find some ambient bird noise track and play it alongside...
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jntyabout 6 years ago
This is seriously impressive and very pleasant to listen to.
empath75about 6 years ago
Now do &quot;Flutter&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=EZFmZ0gZNZI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=EZFmZ0gZNZI</a>
am17anabout 6 years ago
I&#x27;d love to see what Richard has to say about this.
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hotdogsabout 6 years ago
Great writeup, generative.fm is awesome, I&#x27;ll definitely be using that when I need to focus and nothing in my music library appeals to me.
bbarnabout 6 years ago
Huh. Was bracing for something like &quot;come to daddy&quot; when I hit play. Didn&#x27;t realize Aphex Twin did anything else.
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tmahleabout 6 years ago
Pairs well with <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.birdsong.fm&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.birdsong.fm&#x2F;</a> :D
mrutsabout 6 years ago
I always liked Burial for programming.
microcolonelabout 6 years ago
Something about the sound of a neglected piano. Detuned, buzzing; it&#x27;s played as is.
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drumttocs8about 6 years ago
Aphex Twin as a top thread... this is why I love hacker news.
bartcobainabout 6 years ago
Is there a plan for an iOS app anytime soon?
zeristorabout 6 years ago
Muzak missed a trick here
StacyCabout 6 years ago
This is great - thank you
cheezabout 6 years ago
generative.fm is my goto when I need to focus.
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vonseelabout 6 years ago
Has this guy never heard of a bar or measure? Reading through the first section where he describes the song as sections of 16 <i></i>beats<i></i> makes me cringe, and this is coming from someone admittedly horrible with music theory.<p>Edit: I was turned off by his constant usage of the word “beats”, not phrase.
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