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European Parliament approves copyright reform

769 pointsby haywirezabout 6 years ago

66 comments

dangabout 6 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;eus-parliament-signs-disastrous-internet-law-what-happens-next" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;eus-parliament-signs-d...</a> is related.
random878about 6 years ago
As someone who grew up alongside the internet, I wonder if this is just part of the bigger picture of where the internet has always been heading...<p>The bigger, more popular, and ubiquitous it became the more corporate and political powers were going to seek to rule it. Now were are at an age of internet giants with the GDP of small countries, and political elections being swayed by the bovine herds of Facebook and Twitter users (or useds as Stallman calls them!). The internet has come so far from my happy memories of the late 90s.<p>My prediction is that we will see multiple &#x27;internets&#x27;. Whether for political reasons (e.g. China), or commercial (someone like Facebook or Google providing <i>their</i> version of internet to a 3rd world country).<p>Then of course we have things like dark web. I think many will stop seeing the darkweb as a place of CP and drug dealing, and more of an internet free from regulation.<p>It&#x27;s an interesting point in history. . . . (I&#x27;m a bookwork so please share any recommendations on this topic!)
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Funes-about 6 years ago
This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects <i>for-profit</i> platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissing any human cost those practices entail.<p>You want to regain your freedom? Use not-for-profit, decentralized platforms instead. You can use Mastodon [0] instead of Twitter, PeerTube [1] instead of YouTube, Aether [2] instead of reddit, etcetera. Other interesting P2P projects are DAT&#x27;s Beaker Browser [3], and ZeroNet [4]. None of those will have problems with Article 13.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social</a> [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joinpeertube.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joinpeertube.org</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getaether.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getaether.net</a> [3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beakerbrowser.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beakerbrowser.com&#x2F;</a> [4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zeronet.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zeronet.io&#x2F;</a><p>EDIT: &quot;Such [content-sharing] services should not include services that have a main purpose other than that of enabling users to upload and share a large amount of copyright-protected content with the purpose of obtaining profit from that activity.&quot; This is from page 62 of the document wherein Article 13&#x2F;17 is to be found.
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philpemabout 6 years ago
As I said on one of the other threads...<p>26 March 2019. The day the Internet died.<p>(at least in Europe)<p>But of course -- &quot;the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it&quot; -- so what we&#x27;re likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries.<p>That&#x27;d be interesting. It&#x27;d render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States&#x27; response would be either &quot;VPNs are banned&quot; or &quot;no service catering for EU users may talk through a VPN endpoint&quot;.
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montenegrohugoabout 6 years ago
A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney&#x27;s of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it?<p>- Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don&#x27;t mean anything, they are paid, etc..<p>- Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a single issue, so this is ineffective at best.<p>- Street Protests? It seems this is the only option. But as said in the article, even the credibility of these can be put into question.<p>So what do we do?
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paganelabout 6 years ago
&gt; France’s current batch of national politicians have consistently advocated for the worst parts of the Directive, and the Macron administration may seek to grab an early win for the country’s media establishment.<p>Macron is a crook. If any other president from any other civilized country would have sent the military to guard against its citizens&#x27; street protests [1] then that president would have been (rightly) called out the worst names, instead Macron is still seen by a large part of the mainstream media as this savior of European civilization and democracy.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.rfi.fr&#x2F;france&#x2F;20190320-military-be-deployed-saturdays-french-yellow-vests-protests" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.rfi.fr&#x2F;france&#x2F;20190320-military-be-deployed-saturd...</a>
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jostmeyabout 6 years ago
Here&#x27;s what will probably happen. A handful of websites and news outlets will create blanket legal agreements allowing anyone to freely link to their content. There may be some online paperwork that flies back and forth between the content provider and the person wanting to create the link. Websites offering these blanket agreements will flourish. Websites that do not provide their content for free will go unnoticed and undiscovered by the internet. Eventually, all websites in Europe will offer blanket agreements for anyone to freely link to their content.<p>The net result of this proposed law will be more paperwork and more lawyers. In the long run, it will not accomplish its stated goals. It will simply slow down digital innovation in Europe and destroy any European dreams of becoming the next silicon valley
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geff82about 6 years ago
I will now start my move out of the EU. I know how heavily restricted Internet feels like from my frequent Iran travels, and I will move out of any country that moves 2 inches in that direction, whatever the &quot;good reason&quot; might be. Politicians felt like your regular corrupt banana republic representatives this time. And now they know how to get away with this, they will try it with something different again soon.
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pard68about 6 years ago
I recognize the irony of my statement, the majority of the world has been dealing with the US interfering with their nations&#x27; laws for nearly three quarters of a century. Nonetheless, it irks me that laws in other nations, like the EU, can have such an adverse impact on me.
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soheilabout 6 years ago
The misconception that somehow the old internet is gone is so widespread mainly due to big brands pushing their content in everyone&#x27;s face, the old internet is alive and well it&#x27;s just that the people who operate at that level can&#x27;t be bothered to market what they do. Want to hack on Linux kernel? There is more vibrancy in that community than there has ever been. Want to find CVE and learn how to hack binaries? There are fascinating tools to do that today that no one dreamt of just a decade ago. Want to build a robot? Now we have open source robot operating systems like Ros that you can just write your python modules in and have a computer vision model tell where your robot should go. There are millions of other examples of how internet has gotten richer and more internet-y than ever! I don&#x27;t buy the argument that the old internet is gone for a second, it&#x27;s here alive and well, you just have to stop watching youtube videos, listen to idealogical podcasts, refresh HN&#x2F;FB and not get distracted by reading random blogs to see the good stuff again:)
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clarkmoodyabout 6 years ago
It&#x27;s called counter-revolution.<p>Many revolutionary movements are eventually co-opted by elites (often the elites of the overthrown system) for their own purposes. Sometimes the new system put in place after the counter-revolution is <i>worse</i> than the system the original revolution sought to overthrow.<p>The cypherpunks foresaw the dystopian surveillance state decades before the reality and tried to get out in front of it via cryptography. But the raw economics of central service network effects completely destroyed a distributed, control-your-own-keys world. Going forward there are always proposals for a state-controlled &quot;third-key&quot; on all encryption.<p>Likewise, the gatekeepers of the old system (record labels, Disney, etc), have always used the state to enrich themselves. The Internet caught them off guard and they tried to fight it in the early 2000s with lawsuits for file sharing, which hurt their public image greatly. But centralized services came to dominate distribution once again. And now we&#x27;re seeing obvious self-enrichment with these &quot;reforms.&quot;
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lgrebeabout 6 years ago
„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.faz.net&#x2F;faz-edition&#x2F;wirtschaft&#x2F;2019-03-26&#x2F;f30a5870c08cc1e1b4524c1be19d1faf&#x2F;?GEPC=s3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.faz.net&#x2F;faz-edition&#x2F;wirtschaft&#x2F;2019-03-26&#x2F;f3...</a><p>Via<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Senficon&#x2F;status&#x2F;1110278976654794753?s=20" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Senficon&#x2F;status&#x2F;1110278976654794753?s=20</a>
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paule89about 6 years ago
Are we able to see, who voted how? I would like to have a website showing you which persons not to vote, in your location for the upcoming eu votes in may.
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hektorrrabout 6 years ago
This is also huge blow in the artist community, because if they will have no license or contract with big media entities their work will not be shared. And I hope Google, MS and Wiki will stick together in blocking any content from entities requiring any sort of pay. Of course this would not solve all issues featured with these reforms. Smallest are always loosing when it comes to laws like that.
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artiscodeabout 6 years ago
Sad, sad day. I remember having discussions with my 14 year old son regarding articles 11 and 13. He said it would be impossible for these articles to come through, as <i>people</i> are clearly against it. He then called me a pessimist and naysayer. I wish he was right.
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circlefavshapeabout 6 years ago
FWIW all the musicians rights societies in Ireland have been pushing FOR this change, presenting it as protection for &#x27;content creators&#x27;. If A13 affects digital distributors like CDBaby and distrokid then independent musicians are going to be effectively shut out of the modern music market
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laaczabout 6 years ago
Individual votes are in: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;juliareda.eu&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;copyrightvote.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;juliareda.eu&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;copyrightvot...</a>
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cbg0about 6 years ago
A bunch of people are about to lose their seats in the upcoming European Parliament elections in May.
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buboardabout 6 years ago
This is a great day for creators in the EU. We are finally going to be able to upload our creations safely, in a platform that nobody will ever pay for.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.article13.org&#x2F;best-of" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.article13.org&#x2F;best-of</a>
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Giorgiabout 6 years ago
If FB, Google or Yt gave a single damn shit, they could simply add message to their frontpages regarding this upcoming legislation.<p>Not doing so means they all have something to gain from this.
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bufferoverflowabout 6 years ago
So anybody can now shut down any website in the EU that allows uploading of images or text or video or audio?
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DarkWiiPlayerabout 6 years ago
Am I the only one who kinda feels like I&#x27;m not living in a democratic system anymore?<p>Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it&#x27;s probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.
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haywirezabout 6 years ago
A good thread explaining the next steps: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;why0hy&#x2F;status&#x2F;1110514962366189568" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;why0hy&#x2F;status&#x2F;1110514962366189568</a><p>TL;DR summary: The directive will have to be implemented in national legislations, a ~2 year long process. There are a bunch of contradictory laws and regulations to be reconciled. Your app or platform can probably ignore the new rules as they&#x27;re too unclear and unenforceable - but do join trade associations that can provide good, reliable legal support.<p>[Edit] here&#x27;s another article from EFF explaining the next steps:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;eus-parliament-signs-disastrous-internet-law-what-happens-next" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;eus-parliament-signs-d...</a>
dohabout 6 years ago
The law will have a very negative impact on the society and it&#x27;s very unfortunate that it passed. I was really hoping to the last second, that it will not.<p>As much as I can&#x27;t do anything about the law itself, I can make sure that it will not wipe out startups and small companies that are trying to compete with the internet behemoths. We at Pex are making our Attribution Engine free of charge to all content creators, rights holders and platforms [0]. We will publicly announce it within next couple of days. I know it&#x27;s far cry from the law not being enacted at all, but we hope it&#x27;s something.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;document&#x2F;d&#x2F;1CLybxCFg_gz4n62UqVr3XEsyYJbEv6hGI64-ptGgQB0&#x2F;edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;document&#x2F;d&#x2F;1CLybxCFg_gz4n62UqVr3XEsy...</a>
JumpCrisscrossabout 6 years ago
To what degree has Britain&#x27;s waning influence contributed to this? London was historically Europe&#x27;s most competent commercially-minded city. I&#x27;m hopeful to see a counterbalance emerge in Frankfurt or Paris, but the writing on the wall indicates that&#x27;s unlikely.
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philpemabout 6 years ago
The stunning bit of this for me has been the attitude of my MEPs when I emailed them.<p>One Labour MEP, both Conservatives - no response. Not even a form letter.<p>Other Labour MEP - &quot;You are being brainwashed by Google. This is the best thing for the Internet ever! You&#x27;ll see!&quot; (paraphrased as I don&#x27;t have the email to hand, but she did use the word &quot;brainwashed&quot;). Frankly the whole exchange struck me as extremely immature on her part!<p>Two UKIP MEPs - reply a few hours after I emailed them. &quot;We&#x27;ll be fighting this as much as we possibly can. It&#x27;s a disaster. The Articles say one thing and say something contradictory a few sections later!&quot;<p>Much of the fightback seems to have been from the populist far-right parties (with the obvious exception of the various Pirate parties). I wonder if the EU has realised it&#x27;s just handed a massive win to them -- all they have to say now is &quot;look, we tried to protect your Youtube but the EU stopped us!&quot;.
jgowdyabout 6 years ago
What amazes me is with GDPR, so many people were cheerleaders of Europe being the regulator of the internet. Regardless of what you think of GDPR, once we get a political body comfortable with the idea of regulating the internet, this is what we get. The next wall they&#x27;re working on knocking down is the national sovereignty boundaries of the reach of laws. It&#x27;s already in progress and soon we will have European nations enforcing their perspectives including limits on free speech, worldwide. We have started sliding down the slippery slope my friends.
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piokochabout 6 years ago
I am curious how this will affect Brexit. At some point it looked like public opinion in UK leaned against it. Right now it seems that EU is ready to pass any law which is pushed by a powerful lobby, even if this law is not the most well-thought idea like Article 11 and 13. This does not make EU better place to be in.<p>In fact if Germany and France agree on something, this going to happen. I don&#x27;t think that UK will accept that, even if they risk &quot;hard brexit&quot; (which is largely demonized, I can&#x27;t believe that any bigger EU economy would just give up trading with UK, especially when World economy will start slowing down and every eurocent will count).
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bemmuabout 6 years ago
Question to someone more familiar with how these votes work.<p>Is this the page for this vote? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.votewatch.eu&#x2F;en&#x2F;term8-copyright-in-the-digital-single-market-draft-legislative-resolution-procedural-vote-ordinary-legisla.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.votewatch.eu&#x2F;en&#x2F;term8-copyright-in-the-digital-s...</a><p>If it is, it says 312 voted for it, 317 against it, 24 abstained. But it passed? Why?
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napsterbrabout 6 years ago
As someone about to use Hetzner for vps hosting. If my company is based elsewhere, but my product is hosted by a provider within the EU, am I still subjected to this utter nonsense? How about if I use OVH on their Canadian datacenter? It&#x27;s a French based company but the product would be hosted outside EU.
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jaabeabout 6 years ago
I know this is an extremely unpopular opinion, but I’m actually fine with more equality in copyright legislation. These “disastrous” copyright laws already apply to you and me, and if you think they don’t, then just try hosting a top 1 music video on your personal domain.<p>Where the laws don’t apply is if your service is to host user content and you have the size to circumvent justice. YouTube makes a lot of money off legal content, how much is unknown because they literally won’t tell you how much they earn from your content, but they also earn money from illegal content. They avoid responsibility by being large, and these copyright laws is going to combat exactly that.<p>It’s not perfect, but how else do you suggest that we make the laws that apply to you and me also apply to big tech companies?
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Funes-about 6 years ago
Don&#x27;t fret; memes are safe:<p>&quot;The Copyright Directive protects freedom of expression, a core value of the European Union. It sets strong safeguards for users, making clear that everywhere in Europe the use of existing works for purposes of quotation, criticism, review, caricature as well as parody are explicitly allowed. This means that memes and similar parody creations can be used freely. The interests of the users are also preserved through effective mechanisms to swiftly contest any unjustified removal of their content by the platforms.&quot;[0]<p>[0] From the final press release: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;europa.eu&#x2F;rapid&#x2F;press-release_STATEMENT-19-1839_en.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;europa.eu&#x2F;rapid&#x2F;press-release_STATEMENT-19-1839_en.ht...</a>.
mk89about 6 years ago
According to [0]:<p>&gt; The likes of Google News would have to pay publishers for press snippets shown in search results.<p>I don&#x27;t really understand the rationale behind this. Really, I am trying to put myself in the shoes of a policy maker, why would I do this law? It&#x27;s the publisher&#x27;s role to ask for money, isn&#x27;t it? Why should a country force a company to pay for sharing content from another company? I don&#x27;t understand...<p>[0]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.dw.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;eu-parliament-approves-controversial-copyright-reform&#x2F;a-48062142" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.dw.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;eu-parliament-approves-controversial-cop...</a>
danielscrubsabout 6 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting, usually, there are two sides, but in this issue, I&#x27;ve never met anyone standing on the pro-side. Yet it got approved. 60% more people vote for the normal parliament than the EU-parliament and in the EU-parliament we get around 20 people to represent our whole country.<p>The countries with high corruption get more voting rights than the ones with less corruption.<p>Wouldn&#x27;t be so bad if they focused on just trading deficiencies, but no, they want to have their own culture budget ffs.
C14Labout 6 years ago
Wow!<p>Never thought they&#x27;d actually pass this terrible &quot;law&quot;.<p>Terrible.<p>But maybe not a complete surprise. Pandora&#x27;s Box was opened two years ago when Germany privatized censorship. Maybe, back then we did it for all the &quot;right reasons&quot;. But in politics, that&#x27;s all too often just the beginning of a slippery slope. And many of those who today protest this new censorship where in favor of it the last time. Because that time it was supposed to censor &quot;the other side&quot;.
patwilisonabout 6 years ago
This is good for democracy. The EU is a fine institution that has prevented google from selling our search history to the government. I applaud this decision and hope that it is part of broader anti-piracy campaign that would create minimum sentencing for pirates caught and if necessary the use of capital punishment would be deemed legal under EU law.<p>This should help prevent fake news and foster a more balanced online discussion.
LifeLiverTranspabout 6 years ago
Good things the brits found the ejection seat lever for this before it was too late. Will vote for any party thats want to get out of this next vote.
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themagicianabout 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t know why this has so much hate. It doesn&#x27;t seem like the best piece of legislation, but it does address a serious issue that has gone ignored for far too long.<p>YouTube really built an empire on copyrighted content, and still continues to profit from it, as a result of liability shield that the DMCA provides. It has never sat well with me.<p>Today YouTube no longer relies on copyrighted content to be relevant. User generated content is now the primary source of views and ad revenue, but that wasn&#x27;t always so. I remember when YouTube was the place to go to watch The Daily Show, SouthPark, SNL, and a host of other things. That&#x27;s how YouTube became popular. This, &quot;It&#x27;s okay to break the law as long as the end result does more good than harm,&quot; is a weird line of thinking that seems to permeate a host of tech startups these days. And in the case of YouTube, while it&#x27;s true that copyrighted content infringement is no longer their business driver, there&#x27;s still a large portion of content that is copyrighted and YouTube shouldn&#x27;t be profiting from that for no reason.<p>If YouTube was a public utility, as many people—particularly &quot;creators&quot;—seem to want to treat it things might be different. But YouTube isn&#x27;t a public utility. Letting users hide behind anonymous accounts shouldn&#x27;t magically absolve you of liability.<p>I think letting things develop the way they have probably did more good than harm at the end of the day, but I&#x27;m not sure that justifies it—and I don&#x27;t think it should just be allowed to continue.
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speeqabout 6 years ago
Who wants to work with me on a new startup? &quot;EU Upload-Filter as a Service&quot;...
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yannovitchabout 6 years ago
Wow. Europe shot itself a massive bullet in the foot for the next EU elections.
neop1xabout 6 years ago
Now they only have to force us install some kind of proprietary filtering binary to the every server. It&#x27;s starting to be like a chinese firewall on the source side.
75dvtwinabout 6 years ago
Assuming that Brexit will happen.<p>Will this make companies headquartered anywhere in UK, in more advantageous position, than a company serving user-created content, with HQ in European Union?
stiangrindvollabout 6 years ago
Could this directive speed the creation and adaptation of distributed technologies? If the topic of uploading to centralized cloud entities is just removed or ignored all together.
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sidibeabout 6 years ago
This&#x27;ll give the EU few more years of solid Google funding
bradorabout 6 years ago
Will this affect news aggregators with just links (no text snapshots) like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;skimfeed.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;skimfeed.com</a> ?
bashwizardabout 6 years ago
Time for a swexit.
montzarkabout 6 years ago
I&#x27;m wondering if VPN providers are also lobbying for more territorial censorship. They have only to gain from this.
ddebernardyabout 6 years ago
The saddest part is how Brexit and the Mueller Report will eclipse this story before it even makes headlines.
shmerlabout 6 years ago
Now other regions should resist spreading of this trash, through &quot;harmonization efforts&quot;.
pugwashabout 6 years ago
Someone remind me: did the Internet survive the introduction of the DMCA?
AnaniasAnanasabout 6 years ago
Time for things like tor, i2p, and freenode to become more popular!
sparklingabout 6 years ago
They pass all these silly laws like the cookie consent nag screen, the data retention directive, GDPR and now this. Then a few years later they wonder why there are basically 0 big digital players from the EU. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_&#x2F;¯ time to sue the big US companies again.<p>Whatever, the faster <i>this</i> EU fails, the better.
shmerlabout 6 years ago
Rather they approve censorship machine.
gbtwabout 6 years ago
Time to abolish copyright then :)
jakeoghabout 6 years ago
More xEXIT I bet. POLEXIT next maybe?
blacklight86about 6 years ago
Those who backed the new copyright law claimed that it will guarantee a fair share of revenue to flow from the IT companies to the authors of intellectual property.<p>What they haven&#x27;t realized is that paying authors a fair revenue when a copyrighted content is shared is still a problem below the horizon. Or, to be more precise, it&#x27;s also a problem, and it requires a good degree of innovation (see micro-payments, content consumption tracking, Blockchain+smart contracts etc.) in order to be tackled.<p>But we haven&#x27;t gotten there yet because the real problem is upstream: HOW do we recognize that some uploaded content is copyrighted in the first place, and who&#x27;s the right copyright holder for that content?<p>How do we do it in a scalable way on platforms where thousands or millions of videos, images or posts are shared per day?<p>How to pinpoint the right copyright holders for a certain content, taking into account that the current situation is extremely fragmented to say the least, that there are multiple national societies for authors that have barely progressed technologically in the last decades (nor have been pushed to do so), that many of them haven&#x27;t even digitized their own records, let alone provide a unique database where the information about their intellectual property can be publicly accessed?<p>And finally, how to find the right balance between blocking the unauthorized publication of copyrighted content and avoiding an over-zealous approach where companies start blocking legit content as well? (Hint: it&#x27;s not by putting strict time constraints on taking content down and threatening huge fines on companies).<p>YouTube has already had for some years some content filtering algorithms that automatically block the upload of copyrighted material. It has taken years to build to a company with the size of Google. It required billions of videos to be collected and labelled, massive investments in manual reviewers and engineers, and it&#x27;s still an algorithm that makes lots of mistakes. How do we expect a smaller start-up to successfully implement a better solution?<p>How could the EU regulators fail to see that this law will create more entrance barriers than those it promises to take down? Google, Facebook etc. have been fighting against this law because it&#x27;s really bad for the internet in general, but they&#x27;ll be the ones to benefit most from it. Sure, they&#x27;ll have to pay a higher toll to make business in Europe, but it&#x27;s guaranteed that they won&#x27;t have many competitors. Because, unless the EU pushed for a more distributed and open access to intellectual property, they will be the only ones who can afford to build an infrastructure that really complies with the new regulation.<p>It&#x27;s really a shame because the law could have been written in a way that would have really solved the problem without creating new ones. Even people like Tim-Berners Lee (the dude who created the web) and people at MIT, Stanford and Berkeley have raised their voice: the EU had the moral obligation to sit with them and listen to their concerns before going down its path, and it failed to do so.<p>There were tons of better ideas. Pushing the associations of authors and artists to digitize their information and make it available in open format. Make a shared database of copyrighted content. Expose an API that businesses can use, where you provide a snippet of some content or its hash digest and the system will tell you whether it contains any copyrighted material, and who are the authors. Set up a continental infrastructure for micro-payments to make sure that authors receive their fair share for each play or view, regardless of where the content is consumed. These are big things to build and no company is really incentivised to do it alone: that&#x27;s when politics should step in and remove the blockers on the way. Unfortunately the EU this time has chosen the &quot;we set the bar, we don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s too high, and actually we don&#x27;t even care, good luck you guys&quot; approach without listening to anyone. And that&#x27;s a huge shame on them.
zelon88about 6 years ago
I haven&#x27;t made up my mind yet. Just thinking out loud for those who don&#x27;t know what to think yet.....<p>An upload filter would be good for the internet because.....<p>-It prevents copyright holders from being infringed upon and having to produce paperwork to enforce their copyright.<p>-It could possible prevent harmful material from being uploaded before it can be reviewed.<p>-It puts liability on the tech companies to account for their platforms.<p>-It protects content creators.<p>An upload filter would be bad for the internet because.....<p>-It raises the bar for entry into the tech market.<p>-It increases the amount of work a new-comer in the market must do before launching a product.<p>-It adds a lot of localized complexity to the internet.<p>-The internet was not made to satisfy the requirements of sovereign nations each imposing their own arbitrary laws.<p>-The internet was supposed too&#x2F;has the potential to be a globalist resource that transcended political borders.<p>An upload filter would be good for my business because.....<p>-It requires me to perform some due diligence on user-submitted data that I otherwise would probably overlook.<p>-It reduces the likelihood that I&#x27;ll receive a DCMA takedown request.<p>-It will increase public trust and perceived security.<p>-People like to see compliance with regulations, even the ones they don&#x27;t agree with.<p>-I could roll out the filter to all users and market it as an added layer of protection.<p>An upload filter would be bad for my business because.....<p>-It greatly increases the amount of time I must spend processing simple uploads.<p>-The user must wait for the file to be processed before they can continue using my service (assuming they want to use their file right away).<p>-It will cost time and resources to design, test, and deploy a filter.<p>-It adds complexity.<p>-I will need some frame of reference before I can determine if a file is original or copyrighted.<p>-I cannot trust the user to tell me if they own the rights to an uploaded file.<p>-I could try and geo-fence Europe so I don&#x27;t have to filter non-European files but what if the copyright holder being infringed is in Europe?<p>-What if a file I filtered out has a copyright holder in the US who has no rights in Europe?<p>-Technically OSS is copyrighted. A file licensed under MIT might not be infringing anything although a file licensed under GPLv3 might be infringing.
busterarmabout 6 years ago
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
trkh0about 6 years ago
Remember that newspapers reported on this vote in passing if at all because they supported it, they are not innocent observers especially with everything concerning tech companies.
lisperabout 6 years ago
This is just one skirmish in an on-going war between democracy and capitalism. Right now capitalism is winning, in no small measure because very few people seem to realize that this war is even happening. Most people, especially in the U.S., think that democracy and capitalism are inherently compatible with each other, as if the principles of &quot;one person one vote&quot; and &quot;one dollar one vote&quot; are not mutually antagonistic or can somehow be reconciled. Corporations, of course, are only too happy to allow this misconception to flourish.
Xelbairabout 6 years ago
Brexit might not be such a stupid idea after all..
cotellettaabout 6 years ago
Clueless twats. I will look up all who voted for this farce and let them know individually it will haunt them for the rest of their political career.<p>No forgiveness for kneecapping free expression in return for some lobbyist euros and pretending it protects artists.<p>And to the artists who were dumb enough to believe it: if your art wasn&#x27;t mediocre you wouldn&#x27;t have any trouble drawing the attention of the copyright industry, as they are always looking for something new to milk. So you traded off a big break that won&#x27;t happen anyway for the collective right to free expression of the entire Union. Good job, you utter tossers.
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rv-deabout 6 years ago
most content based on copyrighted material is bland and low brow entertainment. this regulation will force creators to think a bit deeper about what they are actually putting out there. and i don&#x27;t mind if 50% of YouTubers are forced to actually find a real job.<p>having said that, it&#x27;s still a stupid regulation which shows EU parliament&#x27;s incompetence in this regard.
olivermarksabout 6 years ago
I&#x27;m trying to get my head around how CDA 230 will work with these new EU regulations... <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;cda230" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;cda230</a>
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I_am_tiberiusabout 6 years ago
Humanity did not change since WW2. The one big difference is&#x2F;was the Internet. Without a free Internet, who knows what happens. It is unbelievable.
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varjagabout 6 years ago
A wild guess: nothing changes, or things even improve somewhat. Not very invested into content distribution. If it has chilling effect on social networks, so be it. And memes can die for all I care.
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