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Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

191 pointsby jaxbotabout 6 years ago
There&#x27;s often talk in the news about China wanting to poach Silicon Valley talent to build up their own tech scene. There&#x27;s also talk of founders who moved to Shenzhen to be closer to hardware development for rapid prototyping.<p>However, I&#x27;ve struggled to find individual examples of experiences. Has anyone done this, or know someone who has and blogs&#x2F;tweets about it? I&#x27;m curious how this looks in reality.

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yibgabout 6 years ago
I’ve sort of done the move. If you are not ethnically Chinese and speak the language, there will be a few things to get used to. The degree will depend a bit on where you end up.<p>For example:<p>- pollution can be a big problem.<p>- if Chinese company, work culture can be very different. More top down, longer hours etc.<p>- noisy. Most places you go in big cities you are surrounded by noise. Cars, people, construction. It doesn’t end.<p>- I find the general quality of things to be lower. Buildings are poor quality generally. Side walks aren’t as maintained. A lot of things look nice from a distance only.<p>- internet obviously. Things are blocked and vpn can be flaky.<p>- many every day things will be more difficult. Banking, medical care etc. On the other hand many things are also much more convenient. Food delivery, transportation (unless you want to drive yourself) etc<p>There are pros too of course. You get to learn about a different culture and language. You’ll be relatively wealthy compared to most people there. It’s really easy to meet new people.<p>In the end I’d say move there if there is a good reason: Higher salary, better opportunity you wouldn’t normally have or if you just want a change &#x2F; adventure AND you can live with the cons, at least for a while.
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rlglwxabout 6 years ago
To be honest, don’t don’t it. Unless you’re of Chinese descent and speak the language, you won’t be able to advance in most companies. The work culture is alien to most westerners and the benefits to your career are negligible.<p>Mostly depends on what you want out of your career but speaking as someone that lived in China and worked in Chinese tech companies for seven years, including being the first foreign hire for a large mobile games company, it’s not something I’d recommend mid-career. Maybe just starting out or if you can be hired into a c-level role.
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rahimnathwaniabout 6 years ago
I&#x27;m in a WeChat group for Product Managers in China. Someone asked a similar question a few weeks ago. The context of their question was:<p>- product management (not engineering)<p>- working as an employee of a Chinese tech company (not starting something themselves)<p>With those caveats out of the way, below is the text of my answer to them:<p>&quot;As I understand it, until maybe 2000 or 2005, there was a lack of people with specific experience in many many areas. So the median foreigner coming to China had better experience (and ability) than did Chinese people with a similar educational background and age.<p>As China&#x27;s economy has developed:<p>- many more Chinese have gained that experience<p>- many Chinese who worked in US&#x2F;Europe for many years have come back (or can be tempted to come back)<p>As a result, most foreigners are equivalent to a local Chinese person, except that:<p>- they know English very well (advantage for policy&#x2F;comms&#x2F;bizdev roles)<p>- they don&#x27;t know Chinese well (e.g. hard for a Product Manager to work in a Chinese company when the working language is Chinese and most engineers and other peers don&#x27;t speak Chinese well)<p>- they aren&#x27;t in touch with local culture (e.g. don&#x27;t use the new live streaming platforms that everyone else does)<p>- they need a work visa (only a minor issue for all but the smallest companies)<p>There are foreigners here [in this WeChat group] who work for Chinese companies (e.g. @[REDACTED] @[REDACTED] ) and are very good at what they do. But it&#x27;s not easy.<p>I&#x27;ve interviewed at two large Chinese companies you&#x27;ve heard of. Both of them tested my level of Chinese early in the process. One took me by surprise because the interviewer had grown up in the US and so could obviously have interviewed me in English. In the other, I was expecting interviews in Chinese, but one of the interviews was with a data scientist and that kept me my toes as I didn&#x27;t have the vocab to explain my answers fully&#x2F;concisely.&quot;<p>Oh, and take note of the last sentence of rlglwx&#x27;s earlier comment: &quot;Maybe just starting out or if you can be hired into a c-level role.&quot; If you&#x27;re just starting out, then the pace and intensity of working at an early-stage Chinese tech company could be an amazing learning experience. If you bring distinct experience that can get you a very senior role, then you will work very hard but could also be very well compensated. If you&#x27;re in the middle, it&#x27;s tricky due to the competitive issues I mentioned above.
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paulsutterabout 6 years ago
A warning for folks considering working in China (love to hear this debunked if untrue):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chinalawblog.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;the-china-stock-option-scam.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chinalawblog.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;the-china-stock-option-...</a><p>&gt; no foreign person can own stock in a Chinese domestic company not already listed on a stock market. So any such option or stock transfer is void from the start. Foreigners are not permitted to be shareholders of Chinese domestic companies, nor does China recognize the concept of nominee shareholders.
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intellixabout 6 years ago
Haven&#x27;t moved my career here but am working remotely for a couple of months.<p>All of my work is European and I&#x27;m on the verge of leaving due to how bad the internet gets at night.<p>Throughout the day you&#x27;ve got ExpesssVPM and Shadowsocks but at around 7pm every night there&#x27;s a huge crackdown on foreign traffic where even obscure sites fail to load.<p>It&#x27;s probably fine if your work is 9-5 but outside of then the internet for foreign usage is pretty much unusable that I want to curl up into a ball and cry most nights.<p>Baidu and Chinese sites will consistently ping at around 40ms consistently but at night you&#x27;re looking at something like 70% packet loss and 2sec pings outside
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aviniumabout 6 years ago
I can&#x27;t speak for &quot;founder&#x2F;tech startup&quot; scene in China, but I did spend 4 years as a manager in the property development arm of a large foreign retailer.<p>1) As far as I know, the overpaid expat days are over. A lot of Chinese have returned from long stints overseas, and they&#x27;re bringing that experience back with them. If you want a good position, now you actually need to offer something unique.<p>2) It&#x27;s not impossible, but you will struggle if you can&#x27;t speak Chinese. It&#x27;s funny how this working generation were all forced to learn English at school, but many of them can barely string a few words together. Depends on your industry, of course.<p>3) Most of your business interactions will be unpleasant. Chinese companies will lie, cheat, steal, and anything they can to sell you down the river. Most of your time will be spent watching your back and trying not to get screwed. Same goes for employees.<p>4) The pollution is horrible, and one of the main reasons why so many people left at the same time I did.<p>5) Managing teams can be a nightmare. Chinese employees love empire building, and their answer to any problem is &quot;you need to give me more people&quot;.<p>6) Decisions are very much top-down, and noone wants to second-guess the boss. This means companies are constantly lurching from long periods of inaction (waiting for the CEO&#x2F; Chairman to make a decision) to mad sprints&#x2F;crunch time (once they make a decision and insist that it be carried out in a ridiculous timeframe).<p>7) &quot;Face-time&quot; is very much a thing. Many employees are working 12 hour days, but most of that is spent on WeChat&#x2F;mobile games&#x2F;etc.<p>In short, would I recommend someone do it? Yes - if you can speak Chinese, have no kids and can swing a well-paid, time-limited posting (say 2 years) with your existing company.<p>It&#x27;s an eye-opening experience and really makes you value things that you take for granted in the West.
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zukunftsalickabout 6 years ago
i&#x27;ve been in Hong Kong for 6.5 years already. Worked in small consultancies, large logistics company, and local startup.<p>PROS: a) Salary is high, especially if you get to work in finance&#x2F;insurance&#x2F;luxury retail fields b) disposable income (aka savings) is extremely high as income tax is low, no more than 17%, also, no capital gains tax! c) great hub to work and explore Asia<p>CONS: a) IT jobs (development mainly) aren&#x27;t that exciting as they are mostly outsourced to cheaper countries so you ended up being a lonely team member in HK or in management type of jobs. There&#x27;s always exceptions to this (Credit Suisse, Lalamove, Chengbao to name a few) b) tech is lagging behind in all aspects, from testing to devops. For example; Continuous Integration I&#x27;m yet to see a team in mid to large companies effectively having and respecting the build. This can be seen as an opportunity if you are willing to try. c) You work longer hours, more stress and generally fewer vacation days<p>However, if you come here to work as a founder to be closer to Shenzhen (factories), you also reap the benefits of an established legal system in Hong Kong. Plenty of highly motivated fresh graduates as well.
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captainjusticeabout 6 years ago
I moved from Europe to China to work as a mobile&#x2F;backend dev.<p>Pros:<p>- Salaries these days in China&#x27;s big cities are pretty much same or better than in Europe<p>- Income tax and living costs are significantly lower<p>- Former two combined: your living standards will increase a lot here.<p>- If you live in big cities, life is good and you can live really western life style<p>- Extremely safe and very peaceful. Street crimes and violence are pretty much nonexistent.<p>Cons:<p>- You really have to take much more responsibility. You might find your dream company with excellent salary here or you might end up in sweatshop with shitty salary. General rule: Avoid really local Chinese companies and work for international ones like Apple, Microsoft, Google, western startups etc.<p>- Internet is blocked (can be easily bypassed with VPN though)<p>- Chinese culture might be hard to deal with for many foreigners.<p>- Competence of Chinese developers and especially managers is really low when compared to the West<p>In general: It&#x27;s a wild and scary ride, but I&#x27;d recommend it at least temporarily.
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devyabout 6 years ago
Ex-Googler Scotty Allen has done exactly the things you mentioned about for a few years now migrating from California&#x2F;Seattle to Shenzhen China! He hosts a great YouTube channel called &quot;Strange Parts&quot;[1], you should check it out!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;strangeparts.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;strangeparts.com&#x2F;</a>
wakkaflokkaabout 6 years ago
I&#x27;ve been considering a move to Japan. My pay would likely be several tens of thousands of dollars less (still very good, relative to the market but less than what I could command in a Western market), but it&#x27;s also an opportunity to have a very different life experience.<p>Money vs. experience, it&#x27;s really tough for me to figure out what&#x27;s more important.
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max_imabout 6 years ago
my impression is that unless you&#x27;re in a super high-demand and high-level role (ie. Andrew Ng), it&#x27;s still not that appealing compared to the US. For engineering roles, you&#x27;re going to be worked harder and for lower pay than in the US. As an engineer with a degree in Chinese, I originally planned on working in China but found much better options stateside. Some of my colleagues have been successful in getting decent business-side tech jobs in China, or doing supply side stuff for businesses based outside of China.
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Fandingabout 6 years ago
As a native Chinese, this is our experience <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;996.icu&#x2F;#&#x2F;en_US" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;996.icu&#x2F;#&#x2F;en_US</a>
rodneyzengabout 6 years ago
Agree with comments below. Don&#x27;t do it, unless you are native Chinese and earned a high degree and would join a key high-tech company working on research topics, and have high lever relationships with the company.
logicchainsabout 6 years ago
I worked in Shanghai for a couple years for an international company. If you go somewhere with western managers (or Chinese who worked in the west) the management may not be much more hierarchical than in the west. If you can, start work at a non-Chinese branch of a company with offices in China and then transfer, as expat packages are often better than what you&#x27;d get if you were hired as a local. China has something called 996: 9am-9pm, 6 days per week. If you don&#x27;t want to work such hours, you&#x27;ll have fewer options in the tech industry.<p>Personally, I think how much you enjoy it will depend on how much you enjoy Chinese culture. From my experience, expats who stays &quot;expats&quot; forever, only hang out with other foreigners and don&#x27;t learn the language, are less satisfied than people who integrate more, have local friends, learn the language, and enjoy things like KTV and hotpot. The locals are generally quite pragmatic and in some sense libertarian, in that many will do what they can to skirt laws and regulations that get in their way (which at least in past was perhaps necessary for survival in the corrupt, oppressive conditions there). So if you like &quot;hustle&quot;, you&#x27;ll like it, but if you think Uber are monsters, laws are made to be obeyed, or principles trump pragmatism, then you probably won&#x27;t have a good time. Also if you&#x27;re insecure about your appearance you may not enjoy it there; people can be very frank (like, a colleague might observe &quot;wow, you&#x27;ve gotten fatter, what did you eat?&quot;), and many job listings require a photo attached to the resume. Similarly people are more comfortable mentioning racial stereotypes than Americans are, so if (often well-meaning) racism bothers you then again, maybe better not to go.<p>Reasons to work there? The food is amazing and there&#x27;s so much variety, the sheer number of people and opportunities is greater than almost anywhere else due to the population size (more people --&gt; greater absolute number of people at the tails of any distribution --&gt; there are some really awesome people there), and it&#x27;s extremely safe. Things like delivery and transport are excellent due to economies of scale. There&#x27;s also a lot of personal freedom there; the government aside, normal citizens will generally leave you alone and mind their own business, and won&#x27;t e.g. call the cops or child protection when you let your child play alone outside. If you have kids there they&#x27;re also much less likely to develop a drug or alcohol problem, should that be a concern; drug use is much less common there, and although the legal drinking age is something like 13 there generally isn&#x27;t a binge drinking problem (maybe because the kids have too much homework).
tanilamaabout 6 years ago
I would say unless you look like Chinese, speak like Chinese, have the resilience to endure long hours and enjoy adventure, then maybe China isn&#x27;t really for you.<p>Like bamboo ceiling is a thing in US, similar ceiling will be put upon foreigners in China, unless it is your own company.
boltzmannbrainabout 6 years ago
A couple examples of AI engineers moving to Tokyo (I know it&#x27;s different) and sharing some thoughts on Twitter:<p>- David Ha w&#x2F; Google Brain: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;hardmaru" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;hardmaru</a><p>- Adam Gibson started Skymind in Silicon Valley and moved to Tokyo a few years back: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;agibsonccc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;agibsonccc</a>
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rb808about 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t know much, but did see there was a Bloomberg series about Shenzen that had some Western entrepreneurs in some episodes. It looks awesome tbh.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eLmaIbb13GM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eLmaIbb13GM</a><p>I think in that episode they were talking about the Hax incubator. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hax.co&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hax.co&#x2F;</a>
NicoJuicyabout 6 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;996icu&#x2F;996.ICU&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;en_US.md" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;996icu&#x2F;996.ICU&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;en_US.md</a><p>A &quot;996&quot; job refers to an unofficial working pattern (9 am - 9 pm, 6 days a week) that has been gaining more popularity. Serving a company that encourages the &quot;996&quot; working pattern usually means working for at least 60 hours a week.<p>TLDR; A protest going on right now of developers in China. ICU means Intensive Care Unit.
witcherchaosabout 6 years ago
I am curious, why not japan or South Korea? Or even Taiwan, which google is now opening offices there?
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mooredsabout 6 years ago
I believe Ian Bernstein at Sphero moved to China. Here&#x27;s the podcast that I remember him mentioning it in:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blubrry.com&#x2F;execpodcast&#x2F;20878353&#x2F;036-from-zero-to-sphero-w-ian-bernstein-cto-sphero&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blubrry.com&#x2F;execpodcast&#x2F;20878353&#x2F;036-from-zero-t...</a>
sparkieabout 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t have personal experience living in China. I&#x27;ve followed SerpentZA and laowhy86 on youtube for many years, who share and film their own experiences living in southern China. They have a shared channel, ADVChina, where they ride around on motorcycles and discuss often controversial topics related to China and the upsides and downsides of being a foreigner there. They have some great content and a few good documentaries too: Conquering Southern China and Conquering Northern China.<p>[1]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;churchillcustoms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;churchillcustoms</a>
ceppabout 6 years ago
NOTE: I wanted to say I spoke pretty good Mandarin before going to China the first time. I knew what I was getting into and really wanted to be there. If you appreciate Chinese culture and have studied a bit ignore everyone&#x27;s warnings - you&#x27;ll be fine.<p>I&#x27;m late and most of what I have to say has already been said, but I&#x27;m a bit of a different story, given as I&#x27;m Western but <i>started</i> my career in China. I&#x27;ve worked at a top 50 startup in Shanghai (Video++) and most recently at Alibaba. Given that I&#x27;m 22, and have spent the majority of my internship&#x2F;working career in China I&#x27;ll give my take:<p>- Living in China has been better than anywhere I&#x27;ve lived in the US (CT, NYC, ATL, SF). There&#x27;s abundant food that&#x27;s both very good, and very cheap (both relative and absolute).<p>- Not only is the food cheap, but healthy. Very little food is processed (most is prepared fresh) and everywhere I&#x27;ve worked we&#x27;ve had wonderful meal services that prepped healthy portions. I lost a ton of weight working there without even working out or changing my diet!<p>- Cell service is really, really good and affordable. However, internet service is quite bad and no amount of money can remedy this. At Alibaba, we had fibre laid in Hangzhou so this is the only time I&#x27;ve ever experience moderately fast connection speeds.<p>- GFW etc isn&#x27;t as bad as people make it out to be. Any reasonable company already has a proxy or VPN for you to use at work, and there are a number of good VPNs for personal use. I never felt I missed out on the Western web, only that it was a bit slower to connect (see above).<p>- Technology is abundant and fast-paced. You can rent umbrellas, bikes, phone batteries, etc. If you can think of it someone probably is working on the problem and you&#x27;ll experience things you&#x27;ve never seen before in the US.<p>- Pollution and noise are a problem but not terrible. You certainly adjust and you do have to make some concessions i.e. I never cycled while living in Shanghai, and sometimes wore a face mask on particularly bad days.<p>- Transit is much better. In Shanghai and Shenzhen, the subways are practically brand new. Not only is there cellular&#x2F;WIFi connectivity but they&#x27;re always on time and people queue very neatly for them. High-speed rail is ubiquitous and cheap. Didi is objectively worse than Uber though.<p>- The work environment is quite different:<p>1. Management (where I&#x27;ve worked) has been practically non-existent as compared to the US. This might be because I do research, but I&#x27;ve never had a micromanager, or standups, etc.<p>2. Daily naps are a thing. Expect to find people taking an hour nap after eating lunch.<p>3. 996 is real. Most people at tech companies will work 9am-9pm 6 days&#x2F;week.<p>4. It is expected you basically live in the office. You&#x27;ll eat all 3 meals there, and spend a lot of time with your colleagues. Family time, and going home for dinner isn&#x27;t a thing like it is in the West.<p>I&#x27;m sure I&#x27;ve left a lot out, but the above has been my experience in China. I&#x27;m planning on taking a full-time offer that&#x27;ll put me back in China, and clearly, am biased as I think the quality of life is better there compared to the West.<p>Feel free to ask me any questions.
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kimownabout 6 years ago
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chchyayayabout 6 years ago
I&#x27;m an American that has been working at an American company in China for the last year. I&#x27;m ethnically Chinese and can speak okay (HSK5 - HSK6) Chinese.<p>Overall, it&#x27;s been a negative experience but I don&#x27;t regret at least giving it a shot.<p>-Even in multinational companies people are in the office for much longer hours than in the west. However, a lot of that time is on wechat, super long lunches and who knows what. -My compensation is a bit more than half as much I was making in the US but my taxes and living costs are much much lower. I can save almost as much as I used to. If you get a job in China, make sure to really understand your pay structure and tax implication. Your taxes could either be super high or super low depending on the structure. -Pollution is awful. It&#x27;s really oppressive some days and you just don&#x27;t want to go outside. -Chinese ability is a must. Basically all my technical discussions are in Chinese. -The 差不多 (good enough) mentality is exhausting sometimes. Even in tier 1 cities, everything is falling apart and looks like crap up close. -I have a mix of foreigner and Chinese friends. When I first came here, I was super insistent on only hanging out with Chinese people to get the &quot;real experience&quot; but realistically as a westerner there is too much of a culture gap. Most Chinese people that I&#x27;ve met are very very focused on work and their income. -Chinese people are pretty nice individually when you get to know them, but it&#x27;s a different story in public. Cutting in line, shoving their way, watching shows full volume on their phone in the subway, riding their bikes into you, etc... -Phone usage is crazy here. It seems like nearly everyone is glued to their phones at all times. -Dating is really easy (if you&#x27;re a man). I haven&#x27;t heard this mentioned in this thread yet, but it is a big reason why a lot of expats move to China. However, I would tread very carefully. I wouldn&#x27;t recommend starting a serious relationship here unless you&#x27;re in love with China and are in it for the long haul. Also, casual dating isn&#x27;t very common here so girls get attached very quickly. If you&#x27;re planning on just dating around, you&#x27;ll feel awful eventually unless you&#x27;re a sociopath. -Red tape everywhere. It seems difficult to do nearly everything, especially if you&#x27;re a foreigner.<p>I definitely wouldn&#x27;t live in China for the long term, but it&#x27;s been a pretty interesting experience. Do it for a year or two for the experience and then GTFO.
contingenciesabout 6 years ago
The reason you find it hard to find experiences is that there aren&#x27;t a lot of us who stick around.<p>Across most of China the dominant foreigner is the young visitor, maybe as a student, maybe teaching English. There are also some old English teaching hold-outs, married people running F&amp;B businesses, and a few traders (the imported wine merchant is a classic). Other professionals are rare outside of major cities and industrial areas, save occasional NGO&#x2F;intergovernmental projects, conferences and trade shows. Travelers are pretty rare. To over-generalize, the type of media these people leave online is usually somewhere between &quot;OMG squat toilet!&quot; and &quot;found a McDonalds!&quot;, to &quot;selfie at [landmark]&quot; or &quot;[me picking up locals]&quot;.<p>I&#x27;ve done my time: 18 years here, and only hospitalized for salmonella three times! About half-way through I went back to the west for 2 years, then came back to China. I&#x27;ve also taken an extra year out. The short answer is the situation has been changing frequently. It&#x27;s a lot more expensive now (cost of living), visa rules have changed greatly, the government is getting more aggressive at taxing foreigners, there are still few decent jobs for foreigners (outside of multinationals who generally fill them via internal transfer from elsewhere), and the domestic economy is in slowdown. It&#x27;s a great place for hardware businesses, mostly due to supply chain. The manufacturing isn&#x27;t the cheapest anymore. Legals and government are a pain in the ass.<p>My advice? If you want the language, you have to stay, and if you&#x27;re going to stay, make sure to study a few hundred characters, and study basic Chinese history. You&#x27;ll get <i>far</i> more out of your stay with no additional overhead after covering those basics. If you want a job from someone else, go elsewhere unless you bring experience and are in to career track stuff like management consulting, marketing strategy or some other kind of middle management where international perspective can add some value. If you want to start something in hardware, it&#x27;s better to do it off-books and base yourself somewhere cheap near the border, eg. border-hopping Hong Kong&#x2F;Shenzhen, or nearby in Vietnam, Philippines, Thailand, etc.<p>Running a company here is a real grind. <i>Everything</i> is a hassle: government, banking, visas, lawyers, logistics, medical, education, internet, business culture&#x2F;negotiations, etc. It&#x27;s not cheap anymore either.<p>Personally I couldn&#x27;t live in most of the country due to lack of nature, pollution, cold winters. I&#x27;ve lived in Shanghai, Qingdao, various parts of Yunnan, Shenzhen and Zhuhai. Don&#x27;t get me wrong though, China is fascinating, represents and allows you to better understand a massive chunk of humanity, and has some of the best history, nature and food on the planet. Happy to answer any specific questions.
sureaboutthisabout 6 years ago
My sister-in-law&#x27;s ex-husband traveled to China for weeks at a time and often. After their divorce, he moved there permanently. Two things happened.<p>Right away, he lost a lot of weight because he didn&#x27;t like the food. Too many things he would never consider eating but he had to eat something. I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s the area he was in but he is still too thin today.<p>They divorced because he met a Chinese girl and married her. I don&#x27;t recall the details--it might be a cultural thing--but it sounds like he was bamboozled into providing a lot of financial support to her Chinese family. The impression I get is that he&#x27;s now stuck and it&#x27;s a heavy burden.
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driverdanabout 6 years ago
Why would anyone willingly move to an authoritarian dictatorship?
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