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SR-71's “R2-D2” Could Be the Key to Winning Fights in GPS Denied Environments

118 pointsby loriverkutyaabout 6 years ago

16 comments

ckozlowskiabout 6 years ago
Neat article. The Pentagon has been aware of this for a while now (though as I understand, the Navy only recently brought back celestial navigation into it&#x27;s curriculum) but what&#x27;s neat to me is how we might have had say, one backup method for navigation before falling back to manual methods (usually INS, which the U.S. was a leader in). But modern computers allow for pulling together a vast array of sources like the NAVSOP system described.<p>One method I thought was neat: I play a lot of military flight sims, with my favorite aircraft being the AJS-37 Viggen from the 1970s. A lot of aircraft of this period used TACAN for navigation supplemented by INS for missions over friendly territory. But not the Swedes. They used INS, with fixes being made by the pilot using it&#x27;s ground radar to identify features on the ground that would correspond on a map. The idea was that you&#x27;d program your flight plan into the computer, with your waypoints being say, a bit of land that jutted out on a coastline, or a bridge, or a tiny lake. When you&#x27;re flying, as your approach the feature, there would be a little &quot;+&quot; where the feature should be, which may or may not have drifted. The feature would be visible on the radar, and since the pilot knew it had to be centered on it, he would correct the waypoint and skew it back onto the feature it should be on. That would then update the rest of the waypoints in the system, correcting the drift.<p>This is modeled in the game, and so when I&#x27;m going to hit a target, I&#x27;ll have a nav fix some 20-30km from the target as the actual thing I&#x27;m hitting might not be identifiable on the radar. But my INS will be corrected just shy of the target, and I can be reasonably sure it won&#x27;t drift too much when I arrive in the area. We can hit points in darkness or poor weather with no visibility, no GPS, no night vision. It&#x27;s not fantastic, but it&#x27;s reasonably capable, and requires no outside input.<p>The Swedes later added TERCOM to the jet in the 90s (same thing early models of the Tomahawk used to navigate) which means the INS drift is now largely corrected automatically, but if this for some reason isn&#x27;t working (in the game you can perform a TERCOM fix anywhere, but in real life the amount of ground maps that could be stored was limited, so if you were <i>wildly</i> off course it wouldn&#x27;t be able to match where you were), we still have the radar nav fix backup.<p>Neat stuff. =)
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brownbatabout 6 years ago
People often focus on the potential of quantum computing, but generally focus far too little on the potential of quantum sensing.<p>We revolutionized the precision of timekeeping with atomic clocks. Quantum inertial sensors could precisely track your location with very little drift and no satellite constellation maintenance.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newscientist.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;mg22229694-000-quantum-positioning-system-steps-in-when-gps-fails&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newscientist.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;mg22229694-000-quantum-...</a>
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Animatsabout 6 years ago
The USAF would prefer more accurate inertial systems. Modern bombing runs are often near the ground, not at high altitude where the stars are visible.<p>DARPA is working on this.[1][3] They&#x27;re trying to get MEMS gyros up to navigation grade, and funding work on something called &quot;single atom interferometry&quot;.[2]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.darpa.mil&#x2F;program&#x2F;adaptable-navigation-systems" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.darpa.mil&#x2F;program&#x2F;adaptable-navigation-systems</a> [2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.stanford.edu&#x2F;group&#x2F;scpnt&#x2F;pnt&#x2F;PNT07&#x2F;Presentations&#x2F;14.%20Kasevich_PNT-Symposium.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.stanford.edu&#x2F;group&#x2F;scpnt&#x2F;pnt&#x2F;PNT07&#x2F;Presentations&#x2F;...</a> [3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.darpa.mil&#x2F;program&#x2F;micro-technology-for-positioning-navigation-and-timing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.darpa.mil&#x2F;program&#x2F;micro-technology-for-positioni...</a>
jessriedelabout 6 years ago
Of course, celestial navigation doesn&#x27;t work in the daytime. It also seem weird to write an article aimed at readers who have never heard of it, but not mention the existence of terrain contour matching, which is widely used on cruise missiles and works any time of day.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;TERCOM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;TERCOM</a>
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dingalingabout 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t see why they have to reach back and summon the mystic name of the Habu when astronav is still flying on the B-2 and Trident SLBM. It&#x27;s not as if we have fogotten that the technology exists, it&#x27;s just that GPS is non-mechanical and more deployable, cheaper and robust.<p>Side project I&#x27;ve wanted to do for years: smartphone AR app that you point at the night sky and it does the star recognition and calculations automatically. But I&#x27;ve no illusions that it would be much less practical than just using the onboard GNSS receiver.
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tomohawkabout 6 years ago
Before the days of GPS in the cockpit, a relative of mine was a 747 captain doing routes across the Pacific. On one flight, all of the gyros went offline.<p>He had been trained in the US Air Force in celestial navigation, so he was able to use that to get the aircraft within range of a beacon, and land safely.
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inetseeabout 6 years ago
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KaiserProabout 6 years ago
Now that storage and processing power are cheap and plentiful, there are a range of options for navigation<p>1) using visual keypoints ala <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scape.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scape.io</a><p>2) a much older idea, used in cruse missiles: radar contour mapping.<p>3) decca or loran<p>3.5) passive radar<p>4) inertial dead reckoning(sensors are much, much better nowadays).<p>5) laser painting way points.<p>6) multi spectral, multi viewpoint cameras with slam&#x2F;visual odometery (with a database of coast lines for pinpointing land fall.)<p>or better yet, a combo of all of them. The more data points the better.
caycepabout 6 years ago
IT&#x27;s funny how my understanding of warfare changes over time. As a youngling, it&#x27;s all about sleek shapes and speed and boom boom (that may be a criticism of how society raises men as well).<p>Now, it&#x27;s more about how one side&#x27;s nerds outthinks the other side in terms of sensors, data, etc. Even in the macho world of fighter planes (i.e. JSF and how everyone is thinking of detecting signals vs. hiding signals).<p>It&#x27;s a weird juxtaposition - the techworld and silicon valley&#x27;s general ethos about changing the world, democratizing tech, etc, vs. nerds coming up w&#x2F; ways to better kill each other...
ycombonatorabout 6 years ago
I have always wondered which discipline is responsible for designing the rigs that various components are bolted on later ? Are there any online resources to learn this craft ?<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imagesvc.timeincapp.com&#x2F;v3&#x2F;foundry&#x2F;image&#x2F;?q=60&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1514914884271-a19700234000d4.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imagesvc.timeincapp.com&#x2F;v3&#x2F;foundry&#x2F;image&#x2F;?q=60&amp;url=h...</a>
exabrialabout 6 years ago
Whenever someone asks me to explain how GPS works, I give the example given in the article: Sailors used to track the position of stars in the sky. Since stars are hard to see during the day, and you can see them through walls, we put some artificial stars in the sky that we can identify easy and we put enough of them there&#x27;s always a few above you.
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dproblemabout 6 years ago
Summary: You an mix the coordinates obtained from celestial navigation (stars) with signals of opportunity (Electromagnetic sources like FM) to find the position without GPS.<p>Problems: Anytime a military advertisement happens (LN-120G Stellar-Inertial-GPS from Northup G.) - if you don&#x27;t see the total price of the unit, know that it was a waste of money and resources.
DoctorOetkerabout 6 years ago
does anyone know if astro navigation systems deduce time from star transits (or rather generalized star transits, so they don&#x27;t need to actually be momentarily collinear, i.e. a database of stars with their distances included)?
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mycallabout 6 years ago
Boots on the ground could use laser communications to satcom for coordinate corrections, bypassing the locale drift, or better yet, retransmitting over the spoofed signal with higher strength.
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paulsutterabout 6 years ago
GPS signals aren&#x27;t cryptographically signed. It&#x27;s a bizarre oversight since it could prevent spoofing. I guess it&#x27;s just another example of the tradition for zero-security software.<p>If nothing else, the current interest in cryptocurrency will train a new generation of developers to trust no message.
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s4vi0rabout 6 years ago
Luv too celebrate imperialism, very cool
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