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Google Decides to Monetize Maps

330 pointsby tornadronabout 6 years ago

35 comments

dininskiabout 6 years ago
I can&#x27;t stress enough how much of a bad idea this is. I was stunned when a few days ago I was looking up something on Google Maps and started seeing advertised locations&#x2F;suggestions.<p>Even though I love the product and have been a fan of Google products for the longest time, their current strategy of monetizing everything they can is very off putting. The direction Chrome is taking is also concerning.<p>Don&#x27;t know what really is going on at Google at the higher levels, but from an outsider&#x27;s perspective is seems like they are aggressively trying to grow even more. Maybe to raise stock price? But to invest in what? Maybe to compete with Apple and Amazon? I can&#x27;t be the only one who thinks it all seems odd - going from &quot;don&#x27;t be evil&quot; to shutting down a massive number of projects with a lot of potential (e.g. Inbox, Fiber)...<p>Don&#x27;t mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but looking at the bigger picture, it looks like Google&#x27;s strategy is going through some changes and I&#x27;m not convinced this would play out well for them in the end.
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blueskiabout 6 years ago
Our Google Maps bill went from ~$100k per year to $380k per year as a result of these changes. Needless to say, we&#x27;re moving over to Mapbox.<p>What Google seems to miss is how this will affect customers&#x27; receptiveness to other Google products in the long-term. Having pulled the rug from under us once, there&#x27;s no way we could consider e.g. a migration to Cloud in case the same happened again (where moving to a different provider would be far more painful).
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_bxg1about 6 years ago
One of my absolute favorite things about switching to iOS is how minimalist Apple Maps is. No more nagging &quot;suggested businesses&quot; (ads), no more promoted locations, no more prompts to rate or tag things. Just a map, a search field, and sometimes a subtle prompt for directions to a location I actually go to on a regular basis. I love apps that aren&#x27;t constantly trying to sell me things. Unfortunately they feel almost alien in today&#x27;s world.
JohnFenabout 6 years ago
I stopped using Google Maps a few years back. I received a notification on my phone that a store I was near was having a sale. It was clear that something was leaking my location, and that was being used to push ads to me through Android itself.<p>A little investigation revealed that the culprit was Google Maps. I uninstalled it at that point and never looked back.
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cagefaceabout 6 years ago
Google is really leaving the door open here for Apple to step in and offer a services bundle with a monthly fee that doesn’t involve stuffing advertising into every nook and cranny of the user experience.<p>I generally prefer Google’s services to Apple’s but there might be a tipping point soon where I’m willing to sacrifice some features in exchange for a generally less creepy product.
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joshfraserabout 6 years ago
Google tracks your exact location every few seconds. They know which stores you visit, which restaurants you frequent, which friends you spend the most time with, how often you go to the gym, who you&#x27;re sleeping with and much more. The targeted advertising and surveillance capabilities that are possible as a result of this level of data collection are absolutely terrifying.
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brianpgordonabout 6 years ago
&gt; Before the changes, Owczarek’s startup got 750,000 free map views a month and then was charged 50 cents for every 1,000 views on top of that. Then Google started charging after 30,000 views and the cost was $7 per 1,000 views. His costs jumped from nothing to $5,000 a month.<p><i>Ouch</i>. How could that possibly be worth it? Are they just trying to squeeze money out of businesses that are already locked into the Maps API? It seems hard to believe that your average startup that needs a map widget (like, for food or pharmacy delivery) would go with Maps instead of OpenStreetMap at that price level.
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nullcabout 6 years ago
Maps has been awful and getting worse for a long time.<p>If it&#x27;s not routing me 25+ miles further to save &quot;1 minute&quot; (really a multi-minute slowdown in the 90th percentile) then its failing to give comprehensible directions in order to interpose business names.<p>Maybe the monetization is finally makes competing with it attractive enough.
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mch82about 6 years ago
Meanwhile... MapKit.js has “a free daily limit of 250,000 map views and 25,000 service calls” <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;mapkitjs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;mapkitjs&#x2F;</a>
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pojntfxabout 6 years ago
May OpenStreetMap prevail!
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kgwxdabout 6 years ago
A few months ago, I noticed navigaton saying thing like &quot;take the next right, after Key Bank&quot;. Clearly an ad, as there is nothing ambiguous about the turn. Haven&#x27;t seen it mentioned by anyone else, am I the only one?
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dontbenebbyabout 6 years ago
I guess that explains why Google started nudging people to log in when using the iOS maps app.<p>They made it really hard to click through and use it without an account recently. Between that and that story about giving map data to LEAs[1] I removed it from my phone entirely.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;04&#x2F;13&#x2F;technology&#x2F;google-sensorvault-location-tracking.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;04&#x2F;13&#x2F;technology&#x2F;google-sensorv...</a>
blunteabout 6 years ago
The cookie popup for this site... Which selection means No and which means Yes?<p>Also, after submitting my &quot;preferences&quot;, I actually got to watch a custom progress meter creep thru the %s until I gave up around 80.<p>What a fucking disaster our modern internet is.
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bscphilabout 6 years ago
I think this is taken word-for-word from this Bloomberg piece: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-04-10&#x2F;google-flips-the-switch-on-its-next-big-money-maker-maps" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-04-10&#x2F;google-fl...</a>
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tinus_hnabout 6 years ago
This article is rather confused about the Google Maps service for users and for developers&#x2F;webmasters.<p>They aren’t starting to show ads in Google Maps because they have been doing that for a long time. They just started limiting the free service for developers a few months ago.
ff_about 6 years ago
I think this is pretty ok news: if Maps gets too annoying to use an increasing amount of people will start using alternatives, which will get better because of this, and in the end it will make it easier to live a Google-free life.
growlistabout 6 years ago
A good reason to look at alternatives.
CharlesColemanabout 6 years ago
It was a mistake to let so many basic reference sources become ad-supported. The goals of hosting ads and hosting trustworthy reference information are diametrically opposed.
ericolabout 6 years ago
The problem I have with Maps is not the eventual monetization (By ads?), but how much Google sucks at doing that in a non disruptive way; not to mention I&#x27;m constantly arguing with the app as what is the best path, but I digress.<p>If they are to monetize it, they should take a hint from Waze (That, funnily enough, was bought by Google few tears ago) as to how do in map advertizing right.<p>They also have a lot of missed oportunities: The very few times I had to search something when using the app (Be it having to rush to a gas station, or in desperately need of an ATM) Maps has failed miserably.<p>Finaly, these apps are optimized for &quot;First World&quot; environments, and they also fail just as miserably in other places (Or other dimensions, as the one my country, Argentina, seems to be in)
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decebalus1about 6 years ago
Great. I stopped using Google Maps the moment I bought my IPhone. Unfortunately, it seems I&#x27;m in the minority when I say I get a better experience with Apple Maps. Apple Maps with carplay for the past year have been miles ahead of Google maps with Android Auto on all accounts for my trips. I was skeptical at first but I was never rerouted on weird residential neighborhoods &#x2F; state highways or switch 3 freeways to shave off a minute of my trip, very accurate estimating traffic and transit time, etc... Keep in mind, I was also a huge fan of the Zune.
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ashishmalikabout 6 years ago
Think about those who wish to start new business? Why? Because of money! Google is doing the same thing, growing Growing, utilizing every small space that Google occupies, earning money from it. Why Not!
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Zigurdabout 6 years ago
Google already extracts a lot of hard, quantifiable value from Maps, partly in the form of valuable data, but also including ads and other promotions.<p>This article is about developer pricing for the Maps API. The article doesn&#x27;t really delve into <i>why</i> Google is squeezing more money out of small app developers. The only plausible thing I can think of is to prevent losing ad revenue to apps that don&#x27;t include promotions, but that seems like a stretch.
ketcompabout 6 years ago
I only have Google Maps on my phone because I am location sharing with my family. Is there an alternative? I will gladly uninstall it then.
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Malicabout 6 years ago
&gt; “...You don’t expect them to pull the carpet from beneath you...”<p>Ah, yes, yes I do.<p>I work in an agency doing client website development and Google&#x27;s recent price change for map services caused us to look elsewhere - abruptly. We&#x27;re all about MapBox now - Google Maps has become too expensive.
User23about 6 years ago
I stopped using google maps when they tried to force me to turn history on to update my home address.
mark_l_watsonabout 6 years ago
Does this apply to users who are logged in with a G Suite account?<p>I pay Google $12&#x2F;month for services and although I am happy enough with their combined product right now, I have an easy migration path away from G Suite if that changes.
pkayeabout 6 years ago
Maybe they are trying to move away from advertising supported &quot;freeware&quot; model. Charge directly for things at point of use.
Causality1about 6 years ago
I&#x27;d be happy to do a one time purchase for a permanently ad-free maps experience but I doubt Google would offer that. I stayed on an old version of maps for years after Google crippled functionality by combining Navigation and Maps into a single app, I&#x27;ll be happy to do it again to avoid ads.
davidmottabout 6 years ago
Gosh, this could be risky for Google. But it was always going to be inevitable.
layoutIfNeededabout 6 years ago
Suddenly I’m fine with Apple Maps.
bassman9000about 6 years ago
More?
ChuckMcMabout 6 years ago
Oh, what a surprise, not.<p>It is pretty hard not to see this coming with Google&#x27;s falling margins on search advertising. Let&#x27;s review how things have gone for Google over the last 10 years.<p>2009 the big mortgage recession hits and Google, like everyone else, sees businesses suddenly cut back on what they are willing to spend on internet advertising. As Google&#x27;s CPC metric begins to free fall after years of growing or holding steady, Google sees the core metric of the only business they have that makes money at the margins they need to exist, well its dying.<p>In response they start by buying more traffic. This means they start paying third parties to send traffic that includes a search to Google so that Google can put ads on it. Sometimes that means paying a browser company to send search your way, sometimes it means paying a competitor with a smart phone offering to send the search traffic it generates to Google rather than an upstart. Importantly, that upstart (Bing) is reporting <i>increases</i> in their CPC as more advertisers start seeing them as a credible alternative to the big G. Bing is also buying traffic from EVERYONE and kind of &quot;psuedo&quot; buying it by offering access to their search for free through the old Yahoo! BOSS API.<p>This works for a short period of time, but not for very long so the next thing Google does is to reduce what they paid &quot;other sites&quot; for using their Advertising engine. That let them put more of the money on their own bottom line. This was collectively experienced by millions of web sites that found their AdSense for content ads went from paying $1K a month to paying $100 a month. It was exacerbated by the falling CPC as well. Spammy ad sites proliferated at people who used to make good money with these Ads were desperate to hold onto that revenue stream.<p>This fix was limited though because, well you can&#x27;t save yourself out of bankruptcy. You have to grow the top line to keep ahead. So Google began a campaign of adding more and more advertising (some overt, some not so much) to all of their own properties (reported as Google Sites in their earnings). More and more search results were actually ads rather than organic results. And for things that indicated a &quot;commercial intent&quot;, ie that the data cow on the other end was looking to spend money, well those queries result in a veritable cornucopia of paid spots, with payments to be in the &#x27;shopping windows&#x27; or payments to be on the page, or payments to be higher in the results. White or black hat SEO be damned, there just isn&#x27;t room on a search result page with commercial intent for an organic result.<p>Meanwhile Google, now as Alphabet, was pouring cash into bet after bet, and unwilling (or unable) to find a way to nurture even modest successes began a series of project that consumed cash, never were profitable, and then were killed. And things which one might expect to be profitable like a worlds largest video service, or &quot;Google class&quot; cloud computation, struggled. Service after service foundered on a fundamental challenges like having a human being the paying customer could call to get answers to problems. Combining that legendary non-customer service with the propensity to yank services has put tremendous headwinds on any Google offering that asks its customer to rely on it for anything other than a peripheral capability.<p>Year after year, as the money from ads was harder and harder to get, they have stayed ahead of that decline by killing projects, reducing the amount of money they share with the people who create the content, and trimming back on the &quot;perqs&quot; they used to so freely lavish on their employees.<p>They can&#x27;t get robots right, they haven&#x27;t been able to get self driving cars right, they can&#x27;t make money with services when their customer service is non-existent, they haven&#x27;t been able to make money with videos, or books, or much of any other of the worlds information. There are really only two things that people consider &quot;indispensable&quot; and even those are becoming less so, their search engine and their maps.<p>One makes (to a reasonable approximation) all of the money, and one just costs money. So yeah, they are now stuck trying to squeeze money out of maps because they can&#x27;t improve the core value of advertising with them. Especially not with all the new restrictions on selling the data cows data milk to third parties.<p>What I find most interesting is that Google has <i>decimated</i> Garmin&#x27;s market. Garmin would make anywhere from $30 to $75 per sale on their &quot;navigator&quot; products, which people used for their turn by turn directions and ready maps. Google gave away their maps for free on phones that Google made little money on. That used to be okay, but now it appears that trying to get some revenue out of this product is the only way to avoid the dreaded &quot;year of year decline&quot; in top line revenue. That has so many ill effects from taking the stock price down to creating a competitive opening.<p>Apple is uniquely positioned here, they have maps and they have devices to show them. Sort of the 21st century version of Garmin where their maps are just a feature of a bigger device. If Apple invested in a privacy first search engine with organic results and limited their advertising aspirations to a modest net income for the group I think they would seriously wound Google.<p>Interesting times ahead.
techmortalabout 6 years ago
This will have a detrimental effect on smaller businesses. Those with small teams of developers that have worked tirelessly to build their software around Google&#x27;s maps APIs. This will damage long term relationships with Google and this mid size firms.
npsimonsabout 6 years ago
Hey Google recruiters, in case you&#x27;re wondering why I don&#x27;t respond to your emails asking for interviews, you should know that things like this don&#x27;t really make me want to work for you.
wortelefantabout 6 years ago
Evil webdesign patterns on this site: After I opted out of all but &quot;required&quot; cookies, the popup kept me waiting for several minutes with &quot;processing preferences&quot;, inviting users to cancel the opt-out. Shenanigans like this one has become my main use case for read-it-later-apps like wallabag&#x2F;pocket these days.