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After suggesting a developer drop Linux support, Vivox have released a statement

75 pointsby dejaimeabout 6 years ago

13 comments

CoolGuySteveabout 6 years ago
At least for high performance C++, the Linux toolchain improves code quality by so much. Between valgrind&#x2F;cachegrind, asan, efence, always having the latest clang and clang_analyzer, and Dockerfiles for continuous integration environments, programming on Windows feels like I have a hand tied behind my back.<p>Even something basic like replacing malloc with your own instrumentation to track errant allocations is basically impossible since every DLL in Windows loads its own allocator.<p>I know Windows has similar tools but wrangling Visual Studio, especially remotely or across multiple developers, is significantly more painful in my experience.<p>Even if you don&#x27;t ship on Linux, programming on Linux is worth it imo. I mean, Carmack wrote Quake on a NeXT and shipped on Windows, so if he was doing it back in the day, how wrong can it be?
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TallGuyShortabout 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t see the big deal. They don&#x27;t think Linux support is worth it. So a developer chasing Linux support won&#x27;t use them. Salesman says what he needs to trying to close the deal. Kind of a dumb thing to say, but... Us Linux users are used to being second class citizens in the consumer software world. Vivox just won&#x27;t get our money either. Eh.
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alphaharrisabout 6 years ago
I saw the post on Reddit, and I was a little shocked. When I switched to Linux on my primary computer, it was like Steam automatically filtered out the games I didn&#x27;t like. I immediately spent some money on other games with Linux support.<p>So, there&#x27;s a market, and it <i>seems</i> to be getting larger over time. What&#x27;s troubling to me is that the Vivox employee seemed to think the developer just didn&#x27;t know that Linux was a smaller market, or hadn&#x27;t bothered to make a rational decision.<p>Then again, I also play things like Adventure, and the odd round of Lemmings.
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someexgamedevabout 6 years ago
Middleware company is right. Supporting the platform is not worth the trouble. Data shows again and again that Linux gamers will be a fraction of a percent of your customers but generate an outsized amount of support tickets. Most of these support tickets will require holding their hand through basic Linux box administration.
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shmerlabout 6 years ago
The original response was of course stupid. Developers should just use Mumble instead anyway. It&#x27;s open source and not locked into any specific platform.
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TheGRSabout 6 years ago
This is a very whistleblow-y article. Sensible commenters here correctly point out that a 3rd party vendor shouldn&#x27;t be sending messages like that, it was unprofessional and ultimately pointless. But the point of the article and subsequent community backlash is the same old self-servicing trope that linux gamers seem to love: &quot;We&#x27;re here, we&#x27;re important, we spend money, you are stupid to ignore us!&quot;<p>It&#x27;s the same thing every time and it&#x27;s getting old.
mmastracabout 6 years ago
Alternative title: &quot;Company release PR statement saying the same thing less antagonistically without actually changing their mind&quot;.
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Animatsabout 6 years ago
That affects Second Life, too.<p>The best solution is to drop Vivox, which is kind of dated and crashes and restarts frequently.
tracker1about 6 years ago
Considering the huge push from Valve to improve gaming on linux, which includes improving Wine etc... The fact that Google&#x27;s new platform is entirely Linux backed, and AFAIK Sony&#x27;s next gen is probably Linux as well. It is inevitable that Linux will become a huge platform for gaming.
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kazinatorabout 6 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand how you can develop some voice chat middleware that doesn&#x27;t work on almost anything that has a C compiler.
bitwizeabout 6 years ago
Dropping Linux support is a perfectly sensible thing to suggest. When it comes to computer gaming, all of the tooling, ecosystem, and cash is on Windows.
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spork12about 6 years ago
This should surprise no one. Linux gamers are a very vocal minority, but also a very tiny portion of the market.<p>I gave up on the linux gaming years ago, after suffering with WINE.<p>Why would companies pour hundreds of thousands in resources to support a platform that has almost no serious gamers?
mrutsabout 6 years ago
Why do people care about Linux gaming? Is it that hard to just boot into Windows? Or even, a VM with a pass-through graphics card? It&#x27;s hard enough to make games as it is. It seems unfair to complain about something when it&#x27;s clearly not in the developer&#x27;s interest to waste a bunch of time on something nobody will use.
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