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Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

68 pointsby kukxabout 6 years ago

16 comments

dTalabout 6 years ago
This just seems short-sighted more than anything. It doesn't sound like there's anything technically wrong with the extension (indeed I have often wanted just such an extension), it's merely that the "wrong sort" of people use it. Well, banning it will keep the "wrong sort" of people using it. If everyone jumped on the bandwagon and started using the extension as a generic comment section, then the bright light of day would cleanse it. Instead, by "suppressing" it, they have basically gone out of their way to create a breeding ground.
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belornabout 6 years ago
With safe harbour laws the concept of editorial control comes up as a legal test that courts use to determine intermediary liability. By going this route Mozilla is now declaring that not only are they taking responsibility of what extensions they publish, but also how those extensions in turn are used by users. One level deeper of indirections.<p>So any site which has an EULA that forbids adblockers can use this case as a example of Mozilla exercising editorial control of extension use by users. If Mozilla is willing to exercise editorial control over users behavior for the dissenter extension, then the same apply for any other extension.<p>Looking in my list of extensions I can identify several which could be potential abused. I would be very sad to see the kind of restrictions that would happen if Mozilla would be forced to be liable for it.
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gfoscoabout 6 years ago
Gab is now releasing their own browser, based on Brave, without the BAT token, and with the Dissenter extension built in. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gab-ai-inc&#x2F;defiant-browser" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gab-ai-inc&#x2F;defiant-browser</a> People seem to like it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;james_a_quinn&#x2F;status&#x2F;1125496383883042816" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;james_a_quinn&#x2F;status&#x2F;1125496383883042816</a>
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untogabout 6 years ago
Everyone&#x27;s in favour of the free market until it does something they disagree with. Anyone can start a new browser. Gab could fork Chromium or Firefox, even.<p>Or they could probably just make a bookmarklet.<p>But that wouldn&#x27;t get any attention and hate groups like Gab thrive on controversies like this. HN is doing them a favour here. They&#x27;re not doing anything new or original (remember the Genius annotator, anyone?).
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okketabout 6 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paradox_of_tolerance#Tolerance_and_freedom_of_speech" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paradox_of_tolerance#Tolerance...</a>
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zimbatmabout 6 years ago
10 years ago we had something similar already.<p>&quot;Why the lucky stiff&quot; from the ruby community wrote MouseHole, a local web proxy that could be used to inject a commenting overlay to the web. Only the participants would see it.<p>It was a lot of fun being able to comment on that overlay of the Internet.
tumetab1about 6 years ago
Funny how even this article, which kind supports gab, always associates them with terrorism (violence for political goals) while in both cases mentioned the perpetrators used other social media networks more and with more impact.<p>When you get bad reputation, truth doesn&#x27;t matter. Everyone &quot;knows&quot; they are trash so... vaguely say it&#x27;s against ToS.<p>Right now they should pull a corporate spin, rebrand and move on. CommunityChat™ - a comment section for tribe and vibe; Share you goals, feelings and achievements with a global community of mind-liked users.
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beardicusabout 6 years ago
This is a bizarre blog post to have on the Packt website. Can anybody write these? Packt already had a bit of a low-quality book-mill smell to it, and now they&#x27;re beating the &quot;why can&#x27;t the nazis catch a break&quot; drum. Do not want.
kristiancabout 6 years ago
Wasn&#x27;t was something similar to this in the late 90s - I can&#x27;t remember the name but I remember it having similar issues.
WAHa_06x36about 6 years ago
Good. Far-right hate is unacceptable, and no company with a conscience should ever support it.
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tuxtabout 6 years ago
Question: Does Google have freedom of speech here?
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hsodabout 6 years ago
&quot;free speech&quot; has become a wedge issue, a cudgel used by crypto-fascists to induce well-meaning centrists to actively fight for their cause. All you need is the thinnest veneer of respectability covering your bigotry and a stampede of individuals who nominally hate what you stand for will fight relentlessly for your interests.<p>In the world of the free speech absolutist, we are all obligated to sit politely on the sidelines listening to white nationalists recruit and further their cause, cheered by the health of the marketplace of ideas.<p>Thin gruel.
teekertabout 6 years ago
Hmm, first time I heard of this. Maybe I can even continue some of my beloved flagged HN discussions on there! Sounds great!
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kaoltiabout 6 years ago
Censorship will be their downfall :)
stefan_about 6 years ago
Can people stop trying to make &quot;comment on every website&quot; extensions happen. That must be the 1000th attempt.
kljdsjiodjaofabout 6 years ago
Both browsers offer sideloaded extensions as well as open source cores that can be set to use their own stores.<p>While troubling that they have such ability, they make their terms of use clear and do offer motivated users the ability to chose alternative plugin sources.
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