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Police Feeding Celebrity Photos into Facial Recognition Software to Solve Crimes

68 pointsby saravana85about 6 years ago

12 comments

dsfyu404edabout 6 years ago
Feeding in doctored images, grainy social media pics of people that look &quot;kinda similar&quot; and other garbage data into these tools just to generate a list of possible suspects is a surefire way to generate garbage matches (i.e. non-matches).<p>I don&#x27;t see how this is any better than just putting all the names of people who have the same demographic info into a hat and picking a set of them.<p>I guess incompetence might be the thing that saves us from a truly effective Orwellian state.
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mabboabout 6 years ago
I had thought they were going to say that they use celebrity images to train the systems. Because celebrities are an <i>incredible</i> training set for facial recognition.<p>Consider: You want to train a one-shot matching system for taking photos from crime scene cameras and searching a database of drivers licence photos. You need a training set of different images of the same person, and then lots of those sets for different people. Boom: celebrities! They have thousands of photos from thousands of angles. Poorly taken shots by paparazzi. Stills from films at a zillion different angles. And some nice, face-on shots like a drivers licence photo. (Heck, if it&#x27;s the police they have access to that celebrity&#x27;s actual DL photo).<p>The one nice side about training that way is that most celebrities are really good looking people, so only the really pretty criminals will be caught thanks to training bias.
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CoffeeDregsabout 6 years ago
While I&#x27;ve never been detained, I&#x27;ve been around police enough to know that they generally know the likely suspects immediately after many crimes (turning in a statement after an SF Mission smash-grab; talking with a friend about a -significant- tool theft from their barn). I suspect the reason this celebrity-photo thing is happening is that the police already know their primary suspect and they&#x27;re looking for &quot;modern&quot;, crappy supporting evidence. It&#x27;s like the JS&#x2F;PHP of police work...
broheeabout 6 years ago
I cannot fathom how they put obvious mistakes in the training material (e.g. hairline in the last example). How are they selling something when their own training material shows it&#x27;s total bunk.<p>The time and money spent on that could be spent on actual police work...
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anigbrowlabout 6 years ago
Fantastic, because I look like the literal twin of a very famous actor who appears in multiple current blockbusters. It&#x27;s not that either of us is especially good looking, but we have that sort of face that is bland enough to take on many different looks.
thinkcontextabout 6 years ago
It will be interesting to see how facial recognition is treated as evidence. Things like, will judges grant warrants based on a 80% match but not a 70% match? Will juries consider it more or less reliable than recognition by eye witnesses? Will defense experts be able to cast doubt on certain algorithms or techniques vs others?
josinalvoabout 6 years ago
I disagree that this is, per se, a violation of due process<p>As long as the matches are not being used as evidence on trials or as evidence to get warrants, the police can generate their list of leads by consulting a hamster, or by taking names out of a hat. Right? Or is there&#x2F;should there be a right to not be considered a suspect on foolish motives?<p>Also, maybe these techniques are useful, in the sense that they allow for police to use a bad image to reduce a pool of suspects to a manageable pile that can be examined by hand.
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drblastabout 6 years ago
This reminds me of the common practice of using drug-sniffing dogs not to actually sniff out drugs but as an excuse to do a search.<p>I think there should be an examination and maybe some additional rules around establishing probable cause using what amounts to a divining rod.
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ggggtezabout 6 years ago
Considering that all the research points to image recognition having basically no robustness to noise, I imagine the path here is going to be to at least block it&#x27;s use in court, if not to generate the lead to begin with.
LifeLiverTranspabout 6 years ago
Surely, having such a excellent track record- criminalistic techniques and sciences, will soon reach the level of a true science such psychology.
eriktrautmanabout 6 years ago
Can’t get past that awful ad play with no close button taking up half the screen
np_tediousabout 6 years ago
So this is what actual True Detectives do?