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Fly over a reconstruction of 4th century Rome [video]

143 pointsby gruseomalmost 6 years ago

15 comments

x3roalmost 6 years ago
I have trouble understanding why people here say &quot;the modeling is bad&quot; (I think what is really meant is the level of detail).<p>If this is meant to be an &quot;as realistic as possible&quot; representation of ancient Rome, then the level of detail is linked to our knowledge of what specific buildings may have looked like back then. That&#x27;s why eg some of the statues have a very high LOD because they were preserved until today.<p>Now, comparing this against a multi-hundred-million budget for-profit video game seems a bit pointless, because in a video game (apart from time and money invested) there&#x27;s no need for historical accuracy. But if we assume that standards of scientific accuracy apply to this visualization, then it makes a lot of sense that they didn&#x27;t just invent a bunch of details. Imagine them publishing a paper and just filling some historical gaps with &quot;this is how we think it might&#x27;ve looked&quot;..
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flexiealmost 6 years ago
I love this.<p>Nitpick: Rome was a city with a population of up to 1 million people plus millions of animals. We see a few plumes of smoke coming up from bath complexes, but that would just have been a few of thousands. Even if this was in the middle of day in the middle of summer, we should expect to see plumes of smoke coming up from tens of thousands of fireplaces. How else would they cook, bake bread etc. This was a very dense city, so I would expect to see haze over Rome even at noon in July. I would also expect to see soot on all the buildings and dirt in the streets.<p>I know this is just a model, but it leaves you with the impression that everything was white and clean, which sort of plays well with the thought of Rome as an advanced civilization that gave us a lot of our concepts and ideas for government and law. But it likely wasn&#x27;t that pristine. It was probably a dirty, stinky, smoke filled, decease ridden place.<p>But still a wonderful model. I wish we had had these kinds of videos, when we sat through history classes.
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robbbbbbbbbbbbalmost 6 years ago
Something seemed fishy about this as soon as I started reading the About page. A little digging turned up this great bit of reporting from HyperAllergic from January 2019: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hyperallergic.com&#x2F;480239&#x2F;a-virtual-reality-app-that-reconstructs-ancient-rome-may-have-exploited-its-developers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hyperallergic.com&#x2F;480239&#x2F;a-virtual-reality-app-that-...</a>.<p>EDIT for tl;dr purposes: the models and textures have almost entirely been developed through public funding over a 20 year period but have recently been trademarked by Bernie Frischer Consulting (AKA Flyover Zone Productions) which this website is serving as a shop window for. Seems pretty sleazy and a bit of a shame to me as: 1) it&#x27;s a great if slightly patchy resource which sounds like it really should be under public access somehow; 2) a couple of hours in the hands of a decent 3D artist to setup lighting and cameras correctly would do this model so much more justice.
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lifeisstillgoodalmost 6 years ago
This is fantastic. I&#x27;m a sucker for history from the &quot;as lived&quot; point of view - and there is little more &quot;as lived&quot; than the streets and houses and apartment blocks. (The posh floors were ground floors - the poor has to schlepp up all those stairs)<p>And Circus Maximus ... it could seat 1&#x2F;4 Million people !! Holy Moly - that&#x27;s bigger than stadiums today. (different Health and Safety rules I know) but still ... that&#x27;s insane.
PhantomGremlinalmost 6 years ago
Video is 11 minutes long. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The quality can only improve over time.
nn3almost 6 years ago
Would have been nice if they had showed at least parts of the &quot;slummy parts&quot; of Rome (as they put it) where most people lived too.
spepsalmost 6 years ago
This &quot;Rome Reborn 1.0&quot; layer from 2008 still works with some broken links but buildings are there: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mw2.google.com&#x2F;mw-earth-vectordb&#x2F;gallery_layers&#x2F;rome&#x2F;en&#x2F;ancient_rome_regions.kmz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mw2.google.com&#x2F;mw-earth-vectordb&#x2F;gallery_layers&#x2F;rome...</a>
ghevshooalmost 6 years ago
I look forward to the day when I can walk around Rome viewing something like this on my phone and augmented reality on google maps!
caymanjimalmost 6 years ago
This is awesome, but...why are there tourists standing around in modern-day clothing like flannel shirts and leather jackets?
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andybakalmost 6 years ago
Their VR product is tragically disappointing. It&#x27;s all prerendered 360. I can&#x27;t work out why as the poly count doesn&#x27;t seem so high to have prevented working in real-time.<p>I could forgive the crude, flat lighting if it was true VR but we get the worst of both worlds - low-quality rendering and the lack of presence you get from non-volumetric content.<p>Hopefully they will improve their offering in future as this is exactly the kind of thing that VR was made for.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.romereborn.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.romereborn.org&#x2F;</a><p>EDIT - addressed in their FAQ:<p>Q: Do you plan to offer open-world VR?<p>A: Yes. &quot;Open world&quot; means that the user can move at will through the virtual space. At the moment, our users are fixed to a single vantage point, around which they can pivot at will to obtain a 360 panoramic view of the scene. We consider this a temporary expedient necessitated by the frame-rate requirements of the VR stores we use and by the computational limits of some of the VR headsets we support (e.g., GearVR and Go). As soon as the stores change their minimum hardware requirements to the point where our open world apps can meet their frame rate benchmark, we will release our apps in both the current panoramic flavor (which will probably continue for some time to be needed for headsets not reliant on external computing resources) and in the open-world flavor. We definitely want to be the first to realize Palmer Luckey&#x27;s original motivation in creating consumer-level VR headsets of making it possible to walk down the streets of ancient Rome.
app4softalmost 6 years ago
Really bad quality of 3D modeling.
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ldngalmost 6 years ago
Nice work. I always wondered why has been working on and AR app to navigate through the Palatine. I suppose you need to go through the 3D modeling step first.
dmolonyalmost 6 years ago
Nice idea, but the saccharine voiceover made it impossible to listen to for me.
kerngalmost 6 years ago
Interesting. But I like Assasin&#x27;s Creed&#x27;s modeling better. Maybe they should have teamed up?
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cat199almost 6 years ago
Interesting that &#x27;smart history&#x27; chooses a picture of the circus maximus that obscures the fact that it is now st peters basilica in rome, itself no small historical detail..
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