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GM and Fiat Chrysler Unmasked as Tesla’s Source of Cash

122 pointsby thenaturalistalmost 6 years ago

12 comments

wongarsualmost 6 years ago
&gt; they reached agreements to buy federal greenhouse gas credits from Tesla.<p>In other words it&#x27;s not much of a statement about Tesla, it&#x27;s just a credit system working as intended. Tesla has credits left over because they don&#x27;t sell ICE cars, GM predicts that if the next president is Democrat they might need more credits so they buy now while they are cheap.
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zarothalmost 6 years ago
&gt; <i>GM’s credit purchases illustrate how challenging the U.S. fuel efficiency requirements are getting, even for automakers that are adding more zero-emission vehicles to their lineup.</i><p>Hardly. It mostly illustrates how many trucks and SUVs they sell.
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carlsborgalmost 6 years ago
~$200M&#x2F;year, and it isn&#x27;t a strategic cash infusion, they have to.<p>&quot;Tesla has generated almost $2 billion in revenue from selling regulatory credits since 2010&quot;<p>&quot;If [other car-] manufacturers don’t sell enough non-polluting vehicles, they have to purchase credits from competitors like Tesla to make up the difference.&quot;<p>How much is that relatively?<p>TLSA 2018 revenue: $21B net income: -$1B
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matjazdrolcalmost 6 years ago
Wasn&#x27;t this reported two months ago? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;4&#x2F;8&#x2F;18300393&#x2F;tesla-fiat-chrysler-credits-european-union-emissions-fines" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;4&#x2F;8&#x2F;18300393&#x2F;tesla-fiat-chrysl...</a>
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Theodoresalmost 6 years ago
Something is not working with this carbon credit market, the article says demand for electric cars is not there so the auto makers can&#x27;t generate their own credits. Yet people who are into EV cars view the big three as well as the German marques as not even trying.<p>I bet that selling the credits was never in the Tesla business plan. But it is now!
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est31almost 6 years ago
Not the first time an established car manufacturer prevents Tesla from dying. Ten years ago, in 2009, Daimler Benz invested about 50 million USD into Tesla for a 9% stake. This saved them. Not my words, but Elon&#x27;s: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www2.greencarreports.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;1074375_elon-musk-daimler-saved-tesla-doe-loans-a-bad-idea" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www2.greencarreports.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;1074375_elon-musk-daim...</a>
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jonplackettalmost 6 years ago
So does this mean all those zero emission Tesla’s are actually generating lots of emissions but just via another manufacturer?
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wil421almost 6 years ago
Environmental Credits seem more like a scheme than anything else. It sounds like politicians giving lip service to the people while keeping lobbyists happy.<p>Regardless, it’s nice to see GM and FCA are benefiting Tesla is some ways. It would be really interested to see a powered by Tesla GM&#x2F;FCA car. Tesla provides engines and battery and the other carmaker makes a car around it. A partnership with a huge car company could help Tesla with production issues and provide a cash boost.
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phyzomealmost 6 years ago
Bloomberg revealing another Big Secret without citing sources? Why should I believe them?
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exabrialalmost 6 years ago
Tesla sells invisible objects. Elon Musk is truly brilliant.
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vectorEQalmost 6 years ago
being able to buy yourself out of regulations... priceless.
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_pmf_almost 6 years ago
Probably gets them some leverage for cheap takeover when Tesla collapses.
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