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Researchers solve mystery of the galaxy with no dark matter

64 pointsby curtisalmost 6 years ago

6 comments

privongalmost 6 years ago
It&#x27;s worth nothing that the authors of the original NGC1052-DF4 article claiming little to no dark matter have disputed the conclusions of the Trujillo+2019 (i.e., the paper the phys.org article is based on): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ui.adsabs.harvard.edu&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2019RNAAS...3b..29V&#x2F;abstract" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ui.adsabs.harvard.edu&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2019RNAAS...3b..29V&#x2F;abstra...</a><p>I think it&#x27;s safe to say that the jury is still out on this one.<p>Edit: One reason this is difficult is that you can think of galaxies as having two major contributions to the line-of sight velocity we observe from earth: expansion of the Universe (&quot;Hubble flow&quot;) and &quot;peculiar&quot; velocity (motion due to the local gravitational field in which the galaxy lives). The latter velocities are typically a few hundred km&#x2F;s (or later if the galaxy is in a cluster). NGC 1052 has an observed recession velocity of 1510 km&#x2F;s (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ned.ipac.caltech.edu&#x2F;byname?objname=NGC%201052&amp;hconst=67.8&amp;omegam=0.308&amp;omegav=0.692&amp;wmap=4&amp;corr_z=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ned.ipac.caltech.edu&#x2F;byname?objname=NGC%201052&amp;hcons...</a>). Assuming a peculiar velocity of 300 km&#x2F;s, that means the peculiar velocity is on the order of 20% of the total velocity. But we don&#x27;t know what component of the peculiar velocity is along the line of sight or whether it&#x27;s positive or negative. So with these numbers it&#x27;s &quot;hubble flow&quot; velocity could be from 1200 km&#x2F;s to 1800 km&#x2F;s. If you naive plug those two recession velocities into a cosmology model (e.g., the latest model derived from Planck observations) the distance range you get is 17.3-26.1 Mpc, or a ~40% uncertainty. So we cannot rely just on the Universe&#x27;s measured expansion to get a sufficiently reliable distance estimate.<p>So one must use other techniques to measure distances. They each have their own advantages and disadvantages. In general most distance estimates are build on the &quot;Cosmic distance ladder&quot; and accumulate uncertainty as you move up the ladder: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cosmic_distance_ladder" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cosmic_distance_ladder</a>
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srikualmost 6 years ago
A naive question (not read the actual paper or know much about the field) - if requiring dark matter to explain galactic physics can be dispensed with by a distance correction, doesn&#x27;t &quot;we&#x27;ve been underestimating distances all this time&quot; serve as a simpler fact of galactic physics than needing &quot;there is mysterious dark matter everywhere&quot; to explain galactic physics?
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whatshisfacealmost 6 years ago
If MOND was dealt a near-lethal blow with the discovery of a galaxy that had no dark matter (implying that dark matter was a thing you could put in and take away, not a universal law like MOND), now that the anomalous galaxy is gone, does that mean MOND is back?
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8bitsrulealmost 6 years ago
<i>Using five independent methods to estimate the distance of the object, they found that all of them coincided in one conclusion...</i><p>I wish they had listed the five methods, I can&#x27;t think of that many ... (?!)
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cobbzillaalmost 6 years ago
Weren’t these all sparse elliptic galaxies? Didn&#x27;t they all lack a SMB core?<p>Is it possible they are whisps of parts of galaxies thrown off in a galactic collision? Like two spiral arms synchronizing and flying off, then coalescing far from the dark matter, which consolidates in the merged galaxy. These degenerate galaxies might then understandably have little&#x2F;no dark matter of their own.
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p1neconealmost 6 years ago
I want to know more about how it was measured incorrectly the first time.
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