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Gorilla Youngsters Seen Dismantling Poachers’ Traps (2012)

541 pointsby johnny313almost 6 years ago

21 comments

disordinaryalmost 6 years ago
In Aotearoa-New Zealand we set traps for introduced species like stoats, rats, possums, etc. that kill our endangered wildlife that evolved without natural predators.<p>The Kea which are very smart mountain parrots will go and disarm the traps in order to eat the bait. They&#x27;re smart enough to have figured out how to do this, and are one of just a handful of animals that habitually use tools, but are unfortunately too smart for their own good because their handiwork means there&#x27;s more predators for them.<p>But, some people don&#x27;t give animals enough credit. Mammals and especially primates are very, very close to Humans genetically. Animals are often very smart.
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hirundoalmost 6 years ago
&gt; &quot;If we could get more of them doing it, it would be great,&quot; he joked. Karisoke&#x27;s Vecellio, though, said actively instructing the apes would be against the center&#x27;s ethos. &quot;No we can&#x27;t teach them,&quot; she said. &quot;We try as much as we can to not interfere with the gorillas. We don&#x27;t want to affect their natural behavior.&quot;<p>I would think that the main danger is in habituating the gorillas to humans, teaching them that we&#x27;re safe when we&#x27;re not. It may be better if any human interaction with them is aversive but not damaging, like pepper spray.
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twicalmost 6 years ago
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RcouF1uZ4gsCalmost 6 years ago
&gt;Veterinarian Mike Cranfield, executive director of the Mountain Gorilla Veterinary Project, also said he wasn&#x27;t shocked by the news.<p>&gt;&quot;Chimpanzees are always quoted as being the tool users, but I think, when the situation provides itself, gorillas are quite ingenious,&quot; he said.<p>&gt;Cranfield speculated that the gorillas may have learned how to destroy traps by watching the Karisoke center&#x27;s trackers.<p>Looks like they may have learned it from watching humans.
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patagoniaalmost 6 years ago
Or how about the video of the orangutan fighting the bulldozer destroying its home? I used to think people just didn’t realize that animals have internal emotional, social, intellectual lives. But I’m now convinced we know and choose to look away. Tragically.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thesun.co.uk&#x2F;tvandshowbiz&#x2F;8896313&#x2F;david-attenborough-climate-change-the-facts-orangutan-bulldozer-video&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thesun.co.uk&#x2F;tvandshowbiz&#x2F;8896313&#x2F;david-attenbor...</a>
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YeGoblynQueennealmost 6 years ago
&gt; &quot;No we can&#x27;t teach them,&quot; she said. &quot;We try as much as we can to not interfere with the gorillas. We don&#x27;t want to affect their natural behavior.&quot;<p>Tsk. Like the Prime Directive but in the real world.<p>Well, isn&#x27;t it the natural behaviour of gorillas to learn? If they can learn by observing humans, without the humans specifically intending it, then what&#x27;s so different, or unethical, if it&#x27;s done with intent? I think this is just splitting of moral hairs that is missing an opportunity to help the gorillas protect themselves against poachers.<p>Anyway, if we left the gorillas on their own, without interfering, they&#x27;d eventually be wiped out by poachers and others.<p>P.S. It strikes me that the center&#x27;s workers could have actually shown the gorillas how to dismantle the snares and are only pretending to be surprised at their &quot;unprecedented&quot; behaviour. But I&#x27;m proably just paranoid and jaded.
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DoctorOetkeralmost 6 years ago
Could the gorillas be the poachers? The story seems consistent with the gorrilas warning the tracker by grunt to stay put, then dismantle their nearby traps to protect the humans. This is also consistent with the fact that the tracker hadn&#x27;t noticed the second trap. I don&#x27;t really believe my suggestion though, but the coincidence probability does seem rather low for 2 such trap-dismantling events during a single encounter between tracker and gorillas. If they spontaneously dismantled strictly for themselves, I&#x27;d expect the traps to already be dismantled, if the gorillas preferred the traps dismantled. Perhaps human poachers set the traps, and the gorillas for some reason benefit or are entertained by the trapped animmals?<p>&gt;On Tuesday tracker John Ndayambaje spotted a trap very close to the Kuryama gorilla clan. He moved in to deactivate the snare, but a silverback named Vubu grunted, cautioning Ndayambaje to stay away, Vecellio said.<p>&gt;Suddenly two juveniles—Rwema, a male; and Dukore, a female; both about four years old—ran toward the trap.<p>&gt;As Ndayambaje and a few tourists watched, Rwema jumped on the bent tree branch and broke it, while Dukore freed the noose.<p>&gt;The pair then spied another snare nearby—one the tracker himself had missed—and raced for it. Joined by a third gorilla, a teenager named Tetero, Rwema and Dukore destroyed that trap as well.
andyidsingaalmost 6 years ago
From the article:<p>&gt;&quot;If we could get more of them doing it, it would be great,&quot; he joked.<p>&gt;Karisoke&#x27;s Vecellio, though, said actively instructing the apes would be against the center&#x27;s ethos.<p>&gt;&quot;No we can&#x27;t teach them,&quot; she said. &quot;We try as much as we can to not interfere with the gorillas. We don&#x27;t want to affect their natural behavior.&quot;<p>I wonder if this &quot;prime-directive&quot; style rule might be something they consider changed - if there was a way to teach the gorillas to disabled various kinds of traps it seems that would be great.<p>On the other hand, I wonder what the side effects would be.. anyone?
ChuckMcMalmost 6 years ago
Kind of makes you wonder if human evolution was driven by predation.
hvmonkalmost 6 years ago
I just realized that it is a 7 years old article!
breatheObservealmost 6 years ago
This makes me wonder how will the rest of the lifeforms will evolve in future. Will gorillas become more intelligent to survive in a current human dominated environment? Will they evolve to the point, where they become early versions of the homo sapiens?
wildylionalmost 6 years ago
So,is present time the another Neanderthal moment in our history?
0xFFFEalmost 6 years ago
I wonder if we should show them how to write software?
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bitwizealmost 6 years ago
I imagined the adult gorillas sitting around going &quot;Kids these days, they&#x27;re so tech-savvy.&quot;
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TOGoSalmost 6 years ago
I at first read this as &quot;Guerilla Youngsters Seen Dismantling Poachers&#x27; Traps.&quot;<p>Either way I&#x27;m all for it.
cwkossalmost 6 years ago
When will governments start selling licenses to hunt poachers?
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bwbalmost 6 years ago
I for one welcome our new overlords, I hope to serve them well.
deepnotderpalmost 6 years ago
&quot;Kids these days are so rude&quot;
gridlockdalmost 6 years ago
Maybe we should experiment with giving these gorillas knives, see what happens.
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UltraMagnusalmost 6 years ago
Poacher: We&#x27;re setting traps to give you Gorillas new homes.<p>Gorilla dismantling trap: No. Caesar IS home.
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swebsalmost 6 years ago
&gt;Bush-meat hunters set thousands of rope-and-branch snares in Rwanda&#x27;s Volcanoes National Park, where the mountain gorillas live. The traps are intended for antelope and other species but sometimes capture the apes.<p>&gt;The hunters, Vecellio said, seem to have no interest in the gorillas. Even small apes, which would be relatively easy to carry away for sale, are left to die.<p>Pretty misleading for the title to blame poachers then, isn&#x27;t it?
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