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Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

115 pointsby christopherbalzalmost 6 years ago

26 comments

phaseralmost 6 years ago
Please note this is hosted on the BitcoinSV (BSV) network, which is not the same as the Bitcoin network that we all know as BTC.<p>BitcoinSV has much bigger blocks than Bitcoin, which is probably why this idea is possible.<p>While the same idea could be applied for the original Bitcoin network, that is far more popular, it would be highly impractical as blocks are smaller and transaction costs are higher.<p>I don&#x27;t want to start another big&#x2F;small blocks debate but if this idea gets popular, I doubt there will be many nodes that want to host the insane amount of data that will be accumulated, and the incentives for hosting a full node cost-effectively is the main reason why Bitcoin blocks are small.<p>I also sense a malicious intention with the website not making any reference to the fact that this is not the BTC network that 99.9% of visitors associate with the word Bitcoin.
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apoalmost 6 years ago
Highly misleading. This runs on an alternative network called Bitcoin SV. It&#x27;s most definitely not Bitcoin, but a fork of a fork of a fork.<p>Amusing really, because the &quot;SV&quot; stands for Satoshi&#x27;s vision. The founder, Craig Wright has been bamboozling people for a long time with his nonsense.<p>It&#x27;s so long ago that most have forgotten, but the real Satoshi weighed in on a pretty heated argument about whether the Bitcoin block chain should be used to store DNS records. Satoshi was against it due to scaling concerns.<p>The project went on to create its own network and blockchain called Namecoin.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcointalk.org&#x2F;index.php?topic=1790.msg28917#msg28917" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcointalk.org&#x2F;index.php?topic=1790.msg28917#msg289...</a><p>I would take this project in the same spirit. Someone created a block chain and network for mass data storage. At least that&#x27;s the goal. The result is what you see, but it&#x27;s not Bitcoin.
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seisvelasalmost 6 years ago
This is ridiculously cool. Something in me burns to brush this off, which kind of annoys me. I wasn&#x27;t aware of how affected I&#x27;ve been by the current wave of anti bitcoin&#x2F;blockchain&#x2F;deep learning reaction. It&#x27;s sad because ultimately, that kind of sentiment just limits the ability to appreciate really awesome stuff that people make, like this.<p>I madly respect the creator of Bottle for wasting your time on something wondrous and original.
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anchpopalmost 6 years ago
If you&#x27;re interested in this sort of idea, you might be interested in beaker browser [0] (I&#x27;m not affiliated in any way). It is essentially a way to browse files hosted on a bittorrent-like api, so anyone can seed a website to keep it up. I think it&#x27;s still a work in progress though and has a lot of features left to add.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beakerbrowser.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beakerbrowser.com&#x2F;</a>
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dangalmost 6 years ago
Commenters have objected that this is BitcoinSV rather than Bitcoin, so I put SV in the title above. I don&#x27;t actually know what that means, so let me know if I got something wrong.
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ge96almost 6 years ago
Kind of interesting, would like to have a map of the known links&#x2F;what is it at a basic overview level at least eg. file, site, image, etc...<p>Only concern to me is that &quot;lack of distributors&quot; if you compare against public web so what do you put in here? That depends though, someone has to host, you(pay bills), or big company that has free hosting like a forum.
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Solvitiegalmost 6 years ago
If we are posting data to the Bitcoin blockchain, does this data live alongside transaction data? And if so, are there fees to host this data (as we need to pay miners to include data in a block)?
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arisAlexisalmost 6 years ago
people need to pay attention to a detail. BitcoinSV is not Bitcoin as people know it and it is misleading. This is a super cool project but being clear should be a priority in something that has the theme of trust and decentralisation
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grahamperichalmost 6 years ago
VERY cool. It reminds me a bit of this project, which has some of the same concepts and uses the Ethereum blockchain: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethsites.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethsites.io&#x2F;</a><p>ethsites TLDR: host unstoppable censorship resistance websites that can be accessed anywhere in the world (as long as you can remember a small JS snippet or print it on a tshirt or something)
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thekylealmost 6 years ago
It&#x27;s a neat idea. Although, I&#x27;m skeptical of its practicality for hosting any serious amount of data.<p>If everything is hosted on the Bitcoin blockchain then every node in the Bitcoin network will need to keep a copy of every file uploaded. I would prefer the DHT model used by IPFS and DAT where each node only hosts part of the network.
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Gwolfealmost 6 years ago
READ THIS: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@_unwriter&#x2F;the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-cash-experiment-52b86d8cd187" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@_unwriter&#x2F;the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neon.planaria.network&#x2F;#&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neon.planaria.network&#x2F;#&#x2F;</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;_unwriter?lang=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;_unwriter?lang=en</a>
djbitsalmost 6 years ago
Nasdaq just released interview about Bitcoin SV (BSV) if you want to learn more about basic concept of original Bitcoin and what it does: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;TradeTalks&#x2F;status&#x2F;1143588281340137473" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;TradeTalks&#x2F;status&#x2F;1143588281340137473</a>
jacobroyquebecalmost 6 years ago
&gt;And because it&#x27;s on the blockchain, ownership is provable, the content is permanent, and it can be directly monetized forever.<p>How can content be monetized foreved if it costs something to upload (send a transaction to create the block) but nothing to browser (navigating through the blockchain costs nothing)?
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MuffinFlavoredalmost 6 years ago
&gt; Unlike the cloud based Internet where it&#x27;s easy to get away with uploading illegal content, Blockchain remembers forever, and because the content will stay on the blockchain forever with your signature, you don&#x27;t even have the deniability when you get caught.<p>How could you be traced if you are on an anonymous network and create an anonymous one-time-use wallet?
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deepwaterzalmost 6 years ago
Have a look at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@_unwriter&#x2F;the-metanet-starts-84f255a65782" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@_unwriter&#x2F;the-metanet-starts-84f255a6578...</a><p>This is awesome.
Zack-sgualmost 6 years ago
Interesting concept. Looks like it would be possible to add analytics &#x2F; monitoring to the request transformer to track content access though. Wonder if it would be possible to open that up?
slang800almost 6 years ago
Who decided that b:&#x2F;&#x2F; and c:&#x2F;&#x2F; should represent Bitcoin-stored files? I can&#x27;t imagine that this is standardized by the IETF or IANA.
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drothalmost 6 years ago
Wow. This is truly phenomenal. I thought Bitcoin was a worthless ponzi scheme. Really looking forward to seeing Bitcoin SV progress.
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djbitsalmost 6 years ago
the reason bottle is build on top of Bitcoin SV is simple, because it scales and it&#x27;s true to original design by Satoshi him self.<p>Read Bitcoin whitepaper <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoinsv.io&#x2F;bitcoin" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoinsv.io&#x2F;bitcoin</a>
ujalalmost 6 years ago
Are there similar projects for the Ethereum blockchain? Imagine a censorship resistant Darknet.
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dead_mallalmost 6 years ago
This is awesome, but it&#x27;s a real shame that it&#x27;s not for the Bitcoin network
solotronicsalmost 6 years ago
So freaking cool but also worrysome for my transaction fees! AWESOME!
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cocktailpeanutsalmost 6 years ago
interesting... so all this is stored on the blockchain?
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mrz1818almost 6 years ago
Built on BitcoinSV!
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kingmr012almost 6 years ago
It actually goes way beyond what y&#x27;all are just discovering <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;metanaria.planaria.network&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;metanaria.planaria.network&#x2F;</a>
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qz_almost 6 years ago
Certainly an interesting idea, but I think you&#x27;re raising the barrier to entry by not simply implementing this as a browser extension. By having to develop a completely separate browser you&#x27;re wasting a lot of time and resources that could otherwise be used to achieve the goals of the project.<p>I also seriously doubt the willingness of most people to install yet another battery-guzzling Electron app.
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